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From: Shan Hai <haishan.bai@gmail.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: tony.luck@intel.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	cmetcalf@tilera.com, dhowells@redhat.com, paulus@samba.org,
	tglx@linutronix.de, walken@google.com,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] Fixup write permission of TLB on powerpc e500 core
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 11:36:19 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E21AFF3.20607@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1310743477.2586.358.camel@twins>

On 07/15/2011 11:24 AM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-07-15 at 11:18 -0400, Shan Hai wrote:
>
>>>> +	vma = find_vma(mm, address);
>>> Uhm, find_vma() needs mmap_sem, and futex_atomic_cmpxchg_inatomic() is
>>> most certainly not called with that lock held.
>>>
>> My fault, that will be fixed in the V2 patch.
> But you cannot, the function isn't called _atomic_ just for kicks, its
> used while holding spinlocks.
>

Yes we can do that, _atomic_ here is just atomic for cmpxchg
implemented by the combination of 'lwarx' and 'stwcx.' instructions
as done in the spin lock implementation, so even we hold the
mmap_sem that has no impact on the _atomic_ feature of the
futex_atomic_cmpxchg_inatomic().

>>>> +	if (likely(vma)) {
>>>> +		/* only fixup present page */
>>>> +		if (follow_page(vma, address, FOLL_WRITE)) {
>>>> +			handle_mm_fault(mm, vma, address, FAULT_FLAG_WRITE);
>>> So how can this toggle your sw dirty/young tracking, that's pretty much
>>> what gup(.write=1) does too!
>>>
>> because of the kernel read only permission of the page is transparent
>> to the follow_page(),  the handle_mm_fault() is not to be activated
>> in the __get_use_pages(), so the gup(.write=1) could not help to fixup
>> the write permission.
> So why do you need the vma? Is it like I wrote earlier that you don't
> have spare PTE bits and need the vma flags to see if it may become
> writable?
>

Need vma for the reason to call handle_mm_fault(), that's all.

> gup(.write=1) not triggering this is a serious problem though, not
> something you can just paper over. I wouldn't be at all surprised to
> find there's more things broken because of that.

In my opinion another solution might be check the read only for kernel
feature of a page in the follow_page() on gup(.write=1) to avoid this
problem on all architectures.

Thanks
Shan Hai

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From: Shan Hai <haishan.bai@gmail.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: benh@kernel.crashing.org, paulus@samba.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
	walken@google.com, dhowells@redhat.com, cmetcalf@tilera.com,
	tony.luck@intel.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] Fixup write permission of TLB on powerpc e500 core
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 11:36:19 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E21AFF3.20607@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1310743477.2586.358.camel@twins>

On 07/15/2011 11:24 AM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-07-15 at 11:18 -0400, Shan Hai wrote:
>
>>>> +	vma = find_vma(mm, address);
>>> Uhm, find_vma() needs mmap_sem, and futex_atomic_cmpxchg_inatomic() is
>>> most certainly not called with that lock held.
>>>
>> My fault, that will be fixed in the V2 patch.
> But you cannot, the function isn't called _atomic_ just for kicks, its
> used while holding spinlocks.
>

Yes we can do that, _atomic_ here is just atomic for cmpxchg
implemented by the combination of 'lwarx' and 'stwcx.' instructions
as done in the spin lock implementation, so even we hold the
mmap_sem that has no impact on the _atomic_ feature of the
futex_atomic_cmpxchg_inatomic().

>>>> +	if (likely(vma)) {
>>>> +		/* only fixup present page */
>>>> +		if (follow_page(vma, address, FOLL_WRITE)) {
>>>> +			handle_mm_fault(mm, vma, address, FAULT_FLAG_WRITE);
>>> So how can this toggle your sw dirty/young tracking, that's pretty much
>>> what gup(.write=1) does too!
>>>
>> because of the kernel read only permission of the page is transparent
>> to the follow_page(),  the handle_mm_fault() is not to be activated
>> in the __get_use_pages(), so the gup(.write=1) could not help to fixup
>> the write permission.
> So why do you need the vma? Is it like I wrote earlier that you don't
> have spare PTE bits and need the vma flags to see if it may become
> writable?
>

Need vma for the reason to call handle_mm_fault(), that's all.

> gup(.write=1) not triggering this is a serious problem though, not
> something you can just paper over. I wouldn't be at all surprised to
> find there's more things broken because of that.

In my opinion another solution might be check the read only for kernel
feature of a page in the follow_page() on gup(.write=1) to avoid this
problem on all architectures.

Thanks
Shan Hai


  reply	other threads:[~2011-07-16 15:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 138+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-07-15  8:07 [PATCH 0/1] Fixup write permission of TLB on powerpc e500 core Shan Hai
2011-07-15  8:07 ` Shan Hai
2011-07-15  8:07 ` [PATCH 1/1] " Shan Hai
2011-07-15  8:07   ` Shan Hai
2011-07-15 10:23   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-15 10:23     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-15 15:18     ` Shan Hai
2011-07-15 15:18       ` Shan Hai
2011-07-15 15:24       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-15 15:24         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-16 15:36         ` Shan Hai [this message]
2011-07-16 15:36           ` Shan Hai
2011-07-16 14:50     ` Shan Hai
2011-07-16 14:50       ` Shan Hai
2011-07-16 23:49       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-16 23:49         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-17  9:38         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-17  9:38           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-17 14:29           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-17 14:29             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-17 23:14             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-17 23:14               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-18  3:53               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-18  3:53                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-18  4:02                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-18  4:02                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-18  4:01               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-18  4:01                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-18  6:48                 ` Shan Hai
2011-07-18  6:48                   ` Shan Hai
2011-07-18  7:01                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-18  7:01                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-18  7:26                     ` Shan Hai
2011-07-18  7:26                       ` Shan Hai
2011-07-18  7:36                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-18  7:36                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-18  7:50                         ` Shan Hai
2011-07-18  7:50                           ` Shan Hai
2011-07-19  3:30                         ` Shan Hai
2011-07-19  3:30                           ` Shan Hai
2011-07-19  4:20                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-19  4:20                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-19  4:29                           ` [RFC/PATCH] mm/futex: Fix futex writes on archs with SW tracking of dirty & young Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-19  4:29                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-19  4:55                             ` Shan Hai
2011-07-19  4:55                               ` Shan Hai
2011-07-19  5:17                             ` Shan Hai
2011-07-19  5:17                               ` Shan Hai
2011-07-19  5:24                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-19  5:24                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-19  5:38                                 ` Shan Hai
2011-07-19  5:38                                   ` Shan Hai
2011-07-19  7:46                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-19  7:46                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-19  8:24                                     ` Shan Hai
2011-07-19  8:24                                       ` Shan Hai
2011-07-19  8:26                                       ` [RFC/PATCH] mm/futex: Fix futex writes on archs with SW trackingof " David Laight
2011-07-19  8:26                                         ` David Laight
2011-07-19  8:45                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-19  8:45                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-19  8:45                                         ` Shan Hai
2011-07-19  8:45                                           ` Shan Hai
2011-07-19 11:10                             ` [RFC/PATCH] mm/futex: Fix futex writes on archs with SW tracking of " Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-19 11:10                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-20 14:39                             ` Darren Hart
2011-07-20 14:39                               ` Darren Hart
2011-07-21 22:36                             ` Andrew Morton
2011-07-21 22:36                               ` Andrew Morton
2011-07-21 22:52                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-21 22:52                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-21 22:57                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-21 22:57                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-21 22:59                                 ` Andrew Morton
2011-07-21 22:59                                   ` Andrew Morton
2011-07-22  1:40                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-22  1:40                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-22  1:54                                   ` Shan Hai
2011-07-22  1:54                                     ` Shan Hai
2011-07-27  6:50                             ` Mike Frysinger
2011-07-27  6:50                               ` Mike Frysinger
2011-07-27  7:58                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-27  7:58                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-27  8:59                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-27  8:59                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-27 10:09                                   ` David Howells
2011-07-27 10:09                                     ` David Howells
2011-07-27 10:17                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-27 10:17                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-27 10:20                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-27 10:20                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-28  0:12                                         ` Mike Frysinger
2011-07-28  0:12                                           ` Mike Frysinger
2011-07-28 10:55                                       ` David Howells
2011-07-28 10:55                                         ` David Howells
2011-08-08  2:31                                       ` Mike Frysinger
2011-08-08  2:31                                         ` Mike Frysinger
2011-07-17 11:02         ` [PATCH 1/1] Fixup write permission of TLB on powerpc e500 core Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-17 11:02           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-17 13:33           ` Shan Hai
2011-07-17 13:33             ` Shan Hai
2011-07-17 14:48             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-17 14:48               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-17 15:40               ` Shan Hai
2011-07-17 15:40                 ` Shan Hai
2011-07-17 22:34                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-17 22:34                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-17 14:34           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-17 14:34             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-15  8:20 ` [PATCH 0/1] " Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-15  8:20   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-15  8:38   ` MailingLists
2011-07-15  8:38     ` MailingLists
2011-07-15  8:44     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-15  8:44       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-15  9:08       ` Shan Hai
2011-07-15  9:08         ` Shan Hai
2011-07-15  9:12         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-15  9:12           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-15  9:50         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-15  9:50           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-15 10:06           ` Shan Hai
2011-07-15 10:06             ` Shan Hai
2011-07-15 10:32             ` David Laight
2011-07-15 10:32               ` David Laight
2011-07-15 10:39               ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-15 10:39                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-15 15:32               ` Shan Hai
2011-07-15 15:32                 ` Shan Hai
2011-07-16  0:20                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-16  0:20                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-16 15:03                   ` Shan Hai
2011-07-16 15:03                     ` Shan Hai
2011-07-15 23:47               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-15 23:47                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-15  9:07     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-15  9:07       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-15  9:05   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-15  9:05     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt

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