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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>, Dor Laor <dlaor@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	libvirt-list@redhat.com, Blue Swirl <blauwirbel@gmail.com>,
	"Shribman, Aidan" <aidan.shribman@sap.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4] XBZRLE delta for live migration of large memory apps
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 09:33:12 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E3FF3A8.2040805@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E3FF145.5000705@redhat.com>

On 08/08/2011 09:23 AM, Avi Kivity wrote:
> On 08/08/2011 05:15 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>>
>> If we did .so plugins, which I'm really not opposed to, I'd want the
>> interface to be something like:
>>
>> typedef struct MigrationTransportClass
>> {
>> ssize_t (*writev)(MigrationTransport *obj,
>> struct iovec *iov,
>> int iovcnt);
>> } MigrationTransportClass;
>>
>> I think it's useful to use an interface like this because it makes it
>> easy to put the transport in a dedicated thread that didn't hold
>> qemu_mutex (which is sort of equivalent to using a fork'd helper but
>> is zero-copy at the expense of less isolation).
>
> If we have a shared object helper, the thread should be maintained by
> qemu proper, not the plugin.
>
> I wouldn't call it "migration transport", but instead a
> compression/decompression plugin.
>
> I don't think it merits a plugin at all though. There's limited scope
> for compression and it best sits in qemu proper. If anything, it needs
> to be more integrated (for example turning itself off if it doesn't
> match enough).

That adds a tremendous amount of complexity to QEMU.  If we're going to 
change our compression algorithm, we would need to use a single 
algorithm that worked well for a wide variety of workloads.

We struggle enough with migration as it is, it only would get worse if 
we have 10 different algorithms that we were dynamically enabling/disabling.

The other option is to allow 1-off compression algorithms in the form of 
plugins.  I think in this case, plugins are a pretty good compromise in 
terms of isolating complexity while allowing something that at least 
works very well for one particular type of workload.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

  reply	other threads:[~2011-08-08 14:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-08-08  8:42 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4] XBZRLE delta for live migration of large memory apps Shribman, Aidan
2011-08-08 13:29 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-08-08 13:41   ` Alexander Graf
2011-08-08 13:46     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-08-08 13:49     ` Avi Kivity
2011-08-08 13:51   ` Avi Kivity
2011-08-08 14:15     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-08-08 14:23       ` Avi Kivity
2011-08-08 14:33         ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2011-08-08 14:39           ` Avi Kivity
2011-08-08 15:08             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-08-08 14:04   ` [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] " Daniel P. Berrange
2011-08-08 14:42     ` Avi Kivity
2011-08-08 14:46 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2011-08-08 14:47   ` Avi Kivity
2011-08-08 14:56     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-08-08 15:01       ` Avi Kivity
2011-08-08 15:10     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-08-08 15:15       ` Avi Kivity
2011-08-08 16:19         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-08-08 16:53           ` Avi Kivity
2011-08-08 16:55             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-08-10 15:07               ` Shribman, Aidan
2011-08-10 15:12                 ` Avi Kivity
2011-08-10 15:58                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-08-10 16:08                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-08-10 16:23                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-08-10 16:40                         ` Avi Kivity
2011-08-10 19:27                           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-08-11  8:03                             ` Shribman, Aidan
2011-08-11 13:00                               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-08-11  8:17                             ` Avi Kivity
2011-08-11  9:16                               ` [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] " Daniel P. Berrange
2011-08-11  9:20                                 ` Avi Kivity
2011-08-11 13:03                               ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-08-11  9:24                             ` [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] " Daniel P. Berrange

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