From: Chris Friesen <chris.friesen@genband.com>
To: Bryan Donlan <bdonlan@gmail.com>
Cc: Pavel Ivanov <paivanof@gmail.com>,
Denys Vlasenko <vda.linux@googlemail.com>,
Mahmood Naderan <nt_mahmood@yahoo.com>,
David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@xenotime.net>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: running of out memory => kernel crash
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:19:34 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E4ED366.1090104@genband.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAF_S4t--+Ufkb2bVrt9e59R=yty5U5Cb=Kt5RbjPjraM_equog@mail.gmail.com>
On 08/19/2011 01:29 PM, Bryan Donlan wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:26, Pavel Ivanov<paivanof@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Could you elaborate on this? We have a completely unusable server
>> which can be revived only by hard power cycling (administrators won't
>> be able to log in because sshd and shell will fall victims of the same
>> unending disk reading). And as an alternative we can kill some process
>> and at least allow administrator to log in and check if something else
>> can be done to make server feel better. Why is it worse?
>>
>> I understand that it could be very hard to detect such situation but
>> at least it's worth trying I think.
>
> Deciding when to call the server unusable is a policy decision that
> the kernel can't make very easily on its own; the point when the
> system is considered unusable may be different depending on workload.
> You could create a userspace daemon, however, that mlockall()s, then
> monitors memory usage, load average, etc and kills processes when
> things start to go south. You could also use the memory resource
> cgroup controller to set hard limits on memory usage.
Indeed. From the point of view of the OS, it's running everything on
the system without a problem. It's deep into swap, but it's running.
If there are application requirements on grade-of-service, it's up to
the application to check whether those are being met and if not to do
something about it.
Chris
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From: Chris Friesen <chris.friesen@genband.com>
To: Bryan Donlan <bdonlan@gmail.com>
Cc: Pavel Ivanov <paivanof@gmail.com>,
Denys Vlasenko <vda.linux@googlemail.com>,
Mahmood Naderan <nt_mahmood@yahoo.com>,
David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@xenotime.net>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: running of out memory => kernel crash
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:19:34 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E4ED366.1090104@genband.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAF_S4t--+Ufkb2bVrt9e59R=yty5U5Cb=Kt5RbjPjraM_equog@mail.gmail.com>
On 08/19/2011 01:29 PM, Bryan Donlan wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:26, Pavel Ivanov<paivanof@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Could you elaborate on this? We have a completely unusable server
>> which can be revived only by hard power cycling (administrators won't
>> be able to log in because sshd and shell will fall victims of the same
>> unending disk reading). And as an alternative we can kill some process
>> and at least allow administrator to log in and check if something else
>> can be done to make server feel better. Why is it worse?
>>
>> I understand that it could be very hard to detect such situation but
>> at least it's worth trying I think.
>
> Deciding when to call the server unusable is a policy decision that
> the kernel can't make very easily on its own; the point when the
> system is considered unusable may be different depending on workload.
> You could create a userspace daemon, however, that mlockall()s, then
> monitors memory usage, load average, etc and kills processes when
> things start to go south. You could also use the memory resource
> cgroup controller to set hard limits on memory usage.
Indeed. From the point of view of the OS, it's running everything on
the system without a problem. It's deep into swap, but it's running.
If there are application requirements on grade-of-service, it's up to
the application to check whether those are being met and if not to do
something about it.
Chris
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Software Developer
GENBAND
chris.friesen@genband.com
www.genband.com
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-08-19 21:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-08-09 6:53 running of out memory => kernel crash Mahmood Naderan
2011-08-09 7:06 ` Randy Dunlap
2011-08-09 7:06 ` Randy Dunlap
2011-08-09 7:17 ` Mahmood Naderan
2011-08-09 16:03 ` David Rientjes
2011-08-09 16:03 ` David Rientjes
2011-08-10 8:14 ` Mahmood Naderan
2011-08-10 8:14 ` Mahmood Naderan
2011-08-11 4:09 ` David Rientjes
2011-08-11 4:09 ` David Rientjes
2011-08-11 7:07 ` Mahmood Naderan
2011-08-11 7:07 ` Mahmood Naderan
2011-08-11 7:13 ` David Rientjes
2011-08-11 7:13 ` David Rientjes
2011-08-11 8:02 ` Mahmood Naderan
2011-08-11 8:02 ` Mahmood Naderan
2011-08-11 12:47 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-08-11 12:47 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-08-11 15:13 ` Mahmood Naderan
2011-08-11 15:13 ` Mahmood Naderan
2011-08-11 17:38 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-08-11 17:38 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-08-17 8:50 ` Mahmood Naderan
2011-08-17 8:50 ` Mahmood Naderan
2011-08-18 2:18 ` Pavel Ivanov
2011-08-18 2:18 ` Pavel Ivanov
2011-08-18 12:44 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-08-18 12:44 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-08-18 14:26 ` Pavel Ivanov
2011-08-18 14:26 ` Pavel Ivanov
2011-08-18 22:25 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-08-18 22:25 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-08-19 19:21 ` David Rientjes
2011-08-19 19:21 ` David Rientjes
2011-08-19 19:29 ` Bryan Donlan
2011-08-19 19:29 ` Bryan Donlan
2011-08-19 21:19 ` Chris Friesen [this message]
2011-08-19 21:19 ` Chris Friesen
2011-08-19 21:38 ` Alan Cox
2011-08-19 21:38 ` Alan Cox
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