[mlmmj] Drafts of new listtexts

[mlmmj] Drafts of new listtexts

[Ben Schmidt]

OK! I finally did it! I've drafted new English listtexts!

I've used the features of conditionals and wrapping to cut down
duplication and allow more specifics to be included. I've tried to
strike a good balance between reducing duplication and having simple
conditionals, as these two goals conflict. I've also included text for a
feature or two that are due to be implemented soon. Some, though perhaps
not all, of these features will be in 1.2.18, but in order not to
require too many localisation efforts too soon, I am drafting all the
text now.

The thing most worthy of note is that I have changed some terminology:
Moderation of subscriptions is now known as gatekeeping, and the people
who perform it as gatekeepers--their job is either to permit or obstruct
a person's entry to the list. I also now refer to a moderator's job as
either releasing or rejecting a held post.

My work can be viewed here:
http://mlmmj.org/hg/listtexts/file/master/en

I'm interested in comments from developers, sysadmins, translators and
users. Do these texts adequately reflect the features of Mlmmj? Are the
features they describe or imply sensible? Do they read well? Are they
easy enough to translate? Are they easy enough to customise and
maintain?

Some more minor comments:

- I intend to move the first paragraph of each listtext (which is the
   same) into a separate 'include file' shortly.

- I have drafted a few other minor changes of keywords and so on. This
   is not final yet, and won't affect localisation.

- I've also changed the listtext naming scheme to be more consistent and
   flexible. I will document this more fully later, but in brief,
   listtexts are now named with a scheme of purpose-action-reason-type;
   parts may be dropped off the end and instead the listtext may deal
   with the multiple possibilities for that part using conditionals.

- Everything here will be implemented in a backward-compatible way, so
   old listtexts will continue to work (though not with the new
   features). However, I'm shamelessly paving the way for some
   incompatibilities which will come in a version 1.3.0 before too long
   (though probably with an upgrade script), and 2.0.0 further down the
   track.

Ben.

Re: [mlmmj] Drafts of new listtexts

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi Ben,

2011/2/21 Ben Schmidt <mail_ben_schmidt@yahoo.com.au>:
> OK! I finally did it! I've drafted new English listtexts!
[...]
> My work can be viewed here:
> http://mlmmj.org/hg/listtexts/file/master/en

thanks a lot! I've just forwarded this to our Document Foundation
moderator mailing list, so people can give feedback. I guess we all
can benefit from improvements in mlmmj. :-) I will forward any
comments I receive.

When you have "frozen" the texts, let me know, I then happily forward
them to our local teams for translation. :)

Thanks a lot for your work!
Florian

Re: [mlmmj] Drafts of new listtexts

[Ben Schmidt]

> Hi Ben,
>
> 2011/2/21 Ben Schmidt<mail_ben_schmidt@yahoo.com.au>:
>> OK! I finally did it! I've drafted new English listtexts!
> [...]
>> My work can be viewed here:
>> http://mlmmj.org/hg/listtexts/file/master/en
>
> thanks a lot! I've just forwarded this to our Document Foundation
> moderator mailing list, so people can give feedback. I guess we all
> can benefit from improvements in mlmmj. :-) I will forward any
> comments I receive.
>
> When you have "frozen" the texts, let me know, I then happily forward
> them to our local teams for translation. :)
>
> Thanks a lot for your work!
> Florian

You are wonderfully patient, Florian.

Everyone: I have just updated the texts in line with the new
subscribe/unsubscribe behaviour that was discussed in another thread.
Have a look at them at the URL above and give feedback.

I hope to freeze them in the next fortnight or so.

Ben.

Re: [mlmmj] Drafts of new listtexts

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi,

> You are wonderfully patient, Florian.

:) you're welcome!

> Everyone: I have just updated the texts in line with the new
> subscribe/unsubscribe behaviour that was discussed in another thread.
> Have a look at them at the URL above and give feedback.
>
> I hope to freeze them in the next fortnight or so.

Thanks a lot! Ping me when they are frozen, then I'll see if I can get
some translators. :)

Florian

Re: [mlmmj] Drafts of new listtexts

[Ben Schmidt]

On 30/06/11 7:01 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote:
> Hi,
>
>> You are wonderfully patient, Florian.
>
> :) you're welcome!
>
>> Everyone: I have just updated the texts in line with the new
>> subscribe/unsubscribe behaviour that was discussed in another thread.
>> Have a look at them at the URL above and give feedback.
>>
>> I hope to freeze them in the next fortnight or so.
>
> Thanks a lot! Ping me when they are frozen, then I'll see if I can get
> some translators. :)

"Famous last words." A week or so later some unexpected situations arose
for me so I wasn't able to work on this as planned.

I have just looked at the texts again and made a couple of minor changes
and think they are now good enough. So I am happy to consider them
frozen and for people to begin translation.

So go for it, team! Please just use UTF-8 encoding. I don't want the mess that the 
previous ones were with \u escapes everywhere. If UTF-8 encoding doesn't already 
work out of the box, we'll fix it.

English ones are here:

http://mlmmj.org/hg/listtexts/file/master/en

Localised ones will be added to the repository as I receive them.

Thanks so much.

Ben.

Re: [mlmmj] Drafts of new listtexts

[Ben Schmidt]

> I have just looked at the texts again and made a couple of minor changes
> and think they are now good enough. So I am happy to consider them
> frozen and for people to begin translation.
>
> So go for it, team! Please just use UTF-8 encoding. I don't want the mess that the
> previous ones were with \u escapes everywhere. If UTF-8 encoding doesn't already
> work out of the box, we'll fix it.
>
> English ones are here:
>
> http://mlmmj.org/hg/listtexts/file/master/en
>
> Localised ones will be added to the repository as I receive them.
>
> Thanks so much.

Just to say they have had another slight modification, despite being
'frozen'. %ifreason admin% has been added to finish, finish-sub and
confirm. No big deal if people have already started work without this,
though it would be preferred if the updated versions could be used.

Ben.

Re: [mlmmj] Drafts of new listtexts

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi Ben,

2011/9/5 Ben Schmidt <mail_ben_schmidt@yahoo.com.au>:

> So go for it, team! Please just use UTF-8 encoding. I don't want the mess
> that the previous ones were with \u escapes everywhere. If UTF-8 encoding
> doesn't already work out of the box, we'll fix it.
>
> English ones are here:
>
> http://mlmmj.org/hg/listtexts/file/master/en
>
> Localised ones will be added to the repository as I receive them.

perfect - I've forwarded this to the LibreOffice mailing lists, and if
I get any translations back, I will ping you. :) BTW, in the upcoming
release of Linux New Media's admin magazine, there will be an artice
about mlmmj by me. :)

Florian