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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@web.de>
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Luiz Capitulino <lcapitulino@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] runstate: do not discard runstate changes when paused
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 18:37:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E8C87DF.5080201@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E8C8656.3040706@web.de>

On 10/05/2011 06:31 PM, Jan Kiszka wrote:
> >>
> >
> >  vm_start() should be symmetric with vm_stop().  That is, if a piece of
> >  code wants to execute with vcpus stopped, it should just run inside a
> >  stop/start pair.
> >
> >  The only confusion can come from the user, if he sees multiple stop
> >  events and expects that just one cont will continue the vm.  For the
> >  machine monitor, we should just document that the you have to issue one
> >  cont for every stop event you see (plus any stops you issue).  It's not
> >  unnatural - the code that handles a stop_due_to_enospace can work to fix
> >  the error and issue a cont, disregarding any other stops in progress
> >  (due to a user pressing the stop button, or migration, or cpu hotplug,
> >  or whatever).  For the human monitor, it's not so intuitive, but the
> >  situation is so rare we can just rely on the user to issue cont again.
>
> Making this kind of user-visible change would be a bad idea.

The current situation is a bad idea.

Consider a user-initiated or qemu-initiated stop; the user starts to 
deal with it, types 'cont', and as the Enter key is being depressed 
another qemu-initiated stop comes along.  The 'cont' restarts the guest 
even though the second event was not dealt with.

> We are talking about multiple stop states here, but only a single
> function (vm_stop) to enter them - maybe that's not optimal. But the
> point is that we were missing one stop-to-stop transition. And that
> needs to be fixed, either inside vm_stop or when it is called.

Those stops are orthogonal.  There is no relationship between a 
migration stop, a user stop, an ENOSPC stop, a hotplug stop, and a 
debugger stop.  There is no reason to start inventing stop-to-stop 
transitions between them.  A 'cont' intended for one should not undo 
another.

There are two ways to do this, one is to store a set of stop reasons and 
let both 'stop' and 'cont' specify the reason, the other, which is 
simpler but less safe, is to use a reference counting approach.

>
> If you want to lock the VM into paused state, add a new symmetric API
> that does precisely this. That API would send the VM into RSTATE_LOCKED
> if it is not yet stopped on lock or is still locked on resume. That
> would avoid redefining stop states that have no use for lock-counting
> semantics.
>

Which stop states would these be?  When would you want one cont to undo 
two stops?

-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function

  reply	other threads:[~2011-10-05 16:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-10-04 12:04 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] runstate: do not discard runstate changes when paused Paolo Bonzini
2011-10-04 13:49 ` Luiz Capitulino
2011-10-04 14:09   ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-10-04 14:30     ` Luiz Capitulino
2011-10-05 14:37 ` Luiz Capitulino
2011-10-05 15:43   ` Avi Kivity
2011-10-05 15:44     ` Avi Kivity
2011-10-05 16:31     ` Jan Kiszka
2011-10-05 16:37       ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2011-10-05 16:49         ` Jan Kiszka
2011-10-05 17:12           ` Avi Kivity
2011-10-05 18:02             ` Jan Kiszka
2011-10-06 14:27               ` Avi Kivity
2011-10-06 15:08                 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-10-05 17:02         ` Luiz Capitulino
2011-10-05 17:23           ` Avi Kivity
2011-10-05 17:39             ` Luiz Capitulino
2011-10-05 18:02               ` Avi Kivity
2011-10-05 18:49                 ` Luiz Capitulino
2011-10-05 18:50                   ` Luiz Capitulino
2011-10-06 11:14                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-10-10 18:49 ` Luiz Capitulino

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