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From: "Lars Noodén" <lars.nooden@gmail.com>
To: Henrik Rydberg <rydberg@euromail.se>
Cc: guenter.roeck@ericsson.com,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"lm-sensors@lm-sensors.org" <lm-sensors@lm-sensors.org>
Subject: Re: [lm-sensors] Hardware running hot and without the fan
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 10:27:33 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4EB3BE15.3070009@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20111103174635.GA12229@polaris.bitmath.org>

On 11/3/11 7:46 PM, Henrik Rydberg wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 03, 2011 at 05:19:25PM +0200, Lars Noodén wrote:
>> On 11/03/2011 05:06 PM, Guenter Roeck wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2011-11-03 at 10:25 -0400, Lars Noodén wrote:
>> [snip]
>>>> The one machine reports one fan and the other two fans.  I haven't found
>>>> a way to set the fan speed manually.  The output from sensors
>>>> is
>>>>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/881593/comments/44
>>>> and here
>>>>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/881593/comments/47
>>>
>>> Do the fans actually turn, or is the output bogus ?
>>
>> The output is bogus, the fans are not turning.  On #47 there above, I
>> think the temperatures might be inaccurate, too.  Since they'll go up
>> and down as much as 8 degrees in a few seconds.
>>
>>> You should be able to set the fan speed by writing into the fanX_input
>>> and/or fanX_output sysfs attributes. You find those
>>> in /sys/class/hwmon/hwmon0/device (assuming there is only one hwmon
>>> device).
>>
>> I can set the fan speed manually.  e.g.:
>>
>>  echo 3500 > /sys/class/hwmon/hwmon0/device/fan1_output
>>
>> That helps some.
> 
> I am confused.
> 
> From what I gather, the fans work, and it should be possible to run
> the macfanctld daemon (not fancontrol) to tune the fans.

On the note book, one fan works with manual control only.  If there is a
second fan, it cannot be turned on manually.  On the mini, there are no
fan devices listed in /sys/class/hwmon/hwmon0/device/

> If there really is a problem with the applesmc, following
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=924096 is a good idea.
> 
> However, the root problem is most likely the GPU consuming too much
> power. Depending on the exact laptop model, there may or may not be a
> viable workaround. If you model is very new, there is most likely and
> active thread about it on the ubuntu forums.

Not that I've been able to find and an attempt at starting a new thread
has no response.

> After checking around on the forums, if you find that this is still a
> fan or temperature sensor problem, and not a GPU problem, then please
> restate the problem as exactly as you can.

I think there are two problems.  One is the GPU or some other part
running hot.  The other is the sensors/fans issue: the fans don't turn
on even when the system is hot.  Both problems are evident on two
different models of hardware, the notebook is a MacBookPro8,2 and the
desktop is a Macmini3,1.

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/881593

/Lars

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From: "Lars Noodén" <lars.nooden@gmail.com>
To: Henrik Rydberg <rydberg@euromail.se>
Cc: guenter.roeck@ericsson.com,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"lm-sensors@lm-sensors.org" <lm-sensors@lm-sensors.org>
Subject: Re: Hardware running hot and without the fan
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 12:27:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4EB3BE15.3070009@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20111103174635.GA12229@polaris.bitmath.org>

On 11/3/11 7:46 PM, Henrik Rydberg wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 03, 2011 at 05:19:25PM +0200, Lars Noodén wrote:
>> On 11/03/2011 05:06 PM, Guenter Roeck wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2011-11-03 at 10:25 -0400, Lars Noodén wrote:
>> [snip]
>>>> The one machine reports one fan and the other two fans.  I haven't found
>>>> a way to set the fan speed manually.  The output from sensors
>>>> is
>>>>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/881593/comments/44
>>>> and here
>>>>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/881593/comments/47
>>>
>>> Do the fans actually turn, or is the output bogus ?
>>
>> The output is bogus, the fans are not turning.  On #47 there above, I
>> think the temperatures might be inaccurate, too.  Since they'll go up
>> and down as much as 8 degrees in a few seconds.
>>
>>> You should be able to set the fan speed by writing into the fanX_input
>>> and/or fanX_output sysfs attributes. You find those
>>> in /sys/class/hwmon/hwmon0/device (assuming there is only one hwmon
>>> device).
>>
>> I can set the fan speed manually.  e.g.:
>>
>>  echo 3500 > /sys/class/hwmon/hwmon0/device/fan1_output
>>
>> That helps some.
> 
> I am confused.
> 
> From what I gather, the fans work, and it should be possible to run
> the macfanctld daemon (not fancontrol) to tune the fans.

On the note book, one fan works with manual control only.  If there is a
second fan, it cannot be turned on manually.  On the mini, there are no
fan devices listed in /sys/class/hwmon/hwmon0/device/

> If there really is a problem with the applesmc, following
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=924096 is a good idea.
> 
> However, the root problem is most likely the GPU consuming too much
> power. Depending on the exact laptop model, there may or may not be a
> viable workaround. If you model is very new, there is most likely and
> active thread about it on the ubuntu forums.

Not that I've been able to find and an attempt at starting a new thread
has no response.

> After checking around on the forums, if you find that this is still a
> fan or temperature sensor problem, and not a GPU problem, then please
> restate the problem as exactly as you can.

I think there are two problems.  One is the GPU or some other part
running hot.  The other is the sensors/fans issue: the fans don't turn
on even when the system is hot.  Both problems are evident on two
different models of hardware, the notebook is a MacBookPro8,2 and the
desktop is a Macmini3,1.

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/881593

/Lars

  reply	other threads:[~2011-11-04 10:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-11-02  9:42 Hardware running hot and without the fan Lars Noodén
2011-11-03  2:03 ` [lm-sensors] " Guenter Roeck
2011-11-03  2:03   ` Guenter Roeck
2011-11-03  8:29   ` [lm-sensors] " Lars Noodén
2011-11-03  8:29     ` Lars Noodén
2011-11-03 13:49     ` [lm-sensors] " Guenter Roeck
2011-11-03 13:49       ` Guenter Roeck
2011-11-03 14:25       ` [lm-sensors] " Lars Noodén
2011-11-03 14:25         ` Lars Noodén
2011-11-03 15:06         ` [lm-sensors] " Guenter Roeck
2011-11-03 15:06           ` Guenter Roeck
2011-11-03 15:19           ` [lm-sensors] " Lars Noodén
2011-11-03 15:19             ` Lars Noodén
2011-11-03 15:32             ` [lm-sensors] " Guenter Roeck
2011-11-03 15:32               ` Guenter Roeck
2011-11-03 16:43               ` [lm-sensors] " Jean Delvare
2011-11-03 16:43                 ` Jean Delvare
2011-11-03 16:55                 ` Guenter Roeck
2011-11-03 16:55                   ` Guenter Roeck
2011-11-03 17:04                   ` Guenter Roeck
2011-11-03 17:04                     ` Guenter Roeck
2011-11-04 10:46                   ` lars nooden
2011-11-04 10:46                     ` lars nooden
2011-11-03 17:46             ` Henrik Rydberg
2011-11-03 17:46               ` Henrik Rydberg
2011-11-04 10:27               ` Lars Noodén [this message]
2011-11-04 10:27                 ` Lars Noodén
2011-11-07 17:18                 ` [lm-sensors] " Matthew Garrett
2011-11-07 17:18                   ` Matthew Garrett
2011-11-07 12:13               ` [lm-sensors] " Lars Noodén
2011-11-07 12:13                 ` Lars Noodén
2011-11-03 16:38           ` [lm-sensors] " Jean Delvare
2011-11-03 16:38             ` Jean Delvare

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