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From: Dor Laor <dlaor@redhat.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Nikunj A Dadhania <nikunj@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	kvm-devel <kvm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Better qemu/kvm defaults (was Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] Gang scheduling in CFS)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 18:07:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4EFC903C.3030509@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4EF838BD.60406@redhat.com>

On 12/26/2011 11:05 AM, Avi Kivity wrote:
> On 12/26/2011 05:14 AM, Nikunj A Dadhania wrote:
>>>
>>> btw you can get an additional speedup by enabling x2apic, for
>>> default_send_IPI_mask_logical().
>>>
>> In the host?
>>
>
> In the host, for the guest:
>
>   qemu -cpu ...,+x2apic
>

It seems to me that we should improve our default flags.
So many times users fail to submit the proper huge command-line options 
that we require. Honestly, we can't blame them, there are so many flags 
and so many use cases its just too hard to get it right for humans.

I propose a basic idea and folks are welcome to discuss it:

1. Improve qemu/kvm defaults
    Break the current backward compatibility (but add a --default-
    backward-compat-mode) and set better values for:
     - rtc slew time
     - cache=none
     - x2apic, maybe enhance qemu64 or move to -cpu host?
     - aio=native|threads (auto-sense?)
     - use virtio devices by default
     - more?

    Different defaults may be picked automatically when TCG|KVM used.

2. External hardening configuration file kept in qemu.git
    For non qemu/kvm specific definitions like the io scheduler we
    should maintain a script in our tree that sets/sense the optimal
    settings of the host kernel (maybe similar one for the guest).

HTH,
Dor

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From: Dor Laor <dlaor@redhat.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Nikunj A Dadhania <nikunj@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	kvm-devel <kvm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: [Qemu-devel] Better qemu/kvm defaults (was Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] Gang scheduling in CFS)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 18:07:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4EFC903C.3030509@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4EF838BD.60406@redhat.com>

On 12/26/2011 11:05 AM, Avi Kivity wrote:
> On 12/26/2011 05:14 AM, Nikunj A Dadhania wrote:
>>>
>>> btw you can get an additional speedup by enabling x2apic, for
>>> default_send_IPI_mask_logical().
>>>
>> In the host?
>>
>
> In the host, for the guest:
>
>   qemu -cpu ...,+x2apic
>

It seems to me that we should improve our default flags.
So many times users fail to submit the proper huge command-line options 
that we require. Honestly, we can't blame them, there are so many flags 
and so many use cases its just too hard to get it right for humans.

I propose a basic idea and folks are welcome to discuss it:

1. Improve qemu/kvm defaults
    Break the current backward compatibility (but add a --default-
    backward-compat-mode) and set better values for:
     - rtc slew time
     - cache=none
     - x2apic, maybe enhance qemu64 or move to -cpu host?
     - aio=native|threads (auto-sense?)
     - use virtio devices by default
     - more?

    Different defaults may be picked automatically when TCG|KVM used.

2. External hardening configuration file kept in qemu.git
    For non qemu/kvm specific definitions like the io scheduler we
    should maintain a script in our tree that sets/sense the optimal
    settings of the host kernel (maybe similar one for the guest).

HTH,
Dor

  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-12-29 16:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-12-19  8:33 [RFC PATCH 0/4] Gang scheduling in CFS Nikunj A. Dadhania
2011-12-19  8:34 ` [RFC PATCH 1/4] sched: Adding cpu.gang file to cpu cgroup Nikunj A. Dadhania
2011-12-19  8:34 ` [RFC PATCH 2/4] sched: Adding gang scheduling infrastrucure Nikunj A. Dadhania
2011-12-19 15:51   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-12-19 16:51     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-12-20  1:43       ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2011-12-20  1:39     ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2011-12-19  8:34 ` [RFC PATCH 3/4] sched: Gang using set_next_buddy Nikunj A. Dadhania
2011-12-19  8:35 ` [RFC PATCH 4/4] sched:Implement set_gang_buddy Nikunj A. Dadhania
2011-12-19 15:51   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-12-20  1:43     ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2011-12-26  2:30     ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2011-12-19 11:23 ` [RFC PATCH 0/4] Gang scheduling in CFS Ingo Molnar
2011-12-19 11:44   ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-19 11:50     ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2011-12-19 11:59       ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-19 12:06         ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2011-12-19 12:50           ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-19 13:09             ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2011-12-19 11:45   ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2011-12-19 13:22     ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2011-12-19 16:28       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-12-21 10:39   ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2011-12-21 10:43     ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-23  3:20       ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2011-12-23 10:36         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-12-25 10:58           ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-25 15:45             ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-26  3:14             ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2011-12-26  9:05               ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-26 11:33                 ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2011-12-26 11:41                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-27  1:47                     ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2011-12-27  9:15                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-27 10:24                         ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2011-12-29 16:07                 ` Dor Laor [this message]
2011-12-29 16:07                   ` [Qemu-devel] Better qemu/kvm defaults (was Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] Gang scheduling in CFS) Dor Laor
2011-12-29 16:13                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-29 16:13                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2011-12-29 16:16                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-29 16:16                     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-01-01 10:16                     ` Dor Laor
2012-01-01 10:16                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Dor Laor
2012-01-01 14:01                       ` Ronen Hod
2012-01-01 14:01                         ` Ronen Hod
2012-01-02  9:37                         ` Dor Laor
2012-01-02  9:37                           ` [Qemu-devel] " Dor Laor
2012-01-03 15:48                       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-01-03 15:48                         ` Anthony Liguori
2012-01-03 22:31                         ` Dor Laor
2012-01-03 22:31                           ` Dor Laor
2012-01-03 22:45                           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-01-03 22:45                             ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2012-01-03 22:59                             ` Dor Laor
2012-01-03 22:59                               ` Dor Laor
2011-12-27  3:15               ` [RFC PATCH 0/4] Gang scheduling in CFS Nikunj A Dadhania
2011-12-27  9:17                 ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-27  9:44                   ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2011-12-27  9:51                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-27 10:10                       ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2011-12-27 10:34                         ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-27 10:43                           ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2011-12-27 10:53                             ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-30  9:51             ` Ingo Molnar
2011-12-30 10:10               ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2011-12-31  2:21                 ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2012-01-02  4:20                   ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2012-01-02  9:39                     ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-02 10:22                       ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2012-01-02  9:37                   ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-02 10:30                     ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2012-01-02 13:33                       ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-04 10:52                     ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2012-01-04 14:41                       ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-04 14:56                         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2012-01-04 17:13                           ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-05  6:57                             ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2012-01-04 16:47                         ` Rik van Riel
2012-01-04 17:16                           ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-04 20:56                             ` Rik van Riel
2012-01-04 21:31                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-01-04 21:41                               ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-05  9:10                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-02-20  8:08                                   ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2012-02-20  8:14                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2012-02-20 10:51                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-20 11:53                                       ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2012-02-20 12:02                                         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2012-02-20 12:14                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-01-05  2:10                         ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2011-12-19 15:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-12-19 16:09   ` Alan Cox
2011-12-19 22:10   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-12-20  1:56   ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2011-12-20  8:52   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge

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