* [patch] mm: compaction: make compact_control order signed @ 2012-02-01 14:41 ` Dan Carpenter 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Dan Carpenter @ 2012-02-01 14:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andrew Morton Cc: Mel Gorman, Minchan Kim, Rik van Riel, Andrea Arcangeli, linux-mm, kernel-janitors "order" is -1 when compacting via /proc/sys/vm/compact_memory. Making it unsigned causes a bug in __compact_pgdat() when we test: if (cc->order < 0 || !compaction_deferred(zone, cc->order)) compact_zone(zone, cc); Signed-off-by: Dan Carpenter <dan.carpenter@oracle.com> diff --git a/mm/compaction.c b/mm/compaction.c index 382831e..5f80a11 100644 --- a/mm/compaction.c +++ b/mm/compaction.c @@ -35,7 +35,7 @@ struct compact_control { unsigned long migrate_pfn; /* isolate_migratepages search base */ bool sync; /* Synchronous migration */ - unsigned int order; /* order a direct compactor needs */ + int order; /* order a direct compactor needs */ int migratetype; /* MOVABLE, RECLAIMABLE etc */ struct zone *zone; }; ^ permalink raw reply related [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* [patch] mm: compaction: make compact_control order signed @ 2012-02-01 14:41 ` Dan Carpenter 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Dan Carpenter @ 2012-02-01 14:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andrew Morton Cc: Mel Gorman, Minchan Kim, Rik van Riel, Andrea Arcangeli, linux-mm, kernel-janitors "order" is -1 when compacting via /proc/sys/vm/compact_memory. Making it unsigned causes a bug in __compact_pgdat() when we test: if (cc->order < 0 || !compaction_deferred(zone, cc->order)) compact_zone(zone, cc); Signed-off-by: Dan Carpenter <dan.carpenter@oracle.com> diff --git a/mm/compaction.c b/mm/compaction.c index 382831e..5f80a11 100644 --- a/mm/compaction.c +++ b/mm/compaction.c @@ -35,7 +35,7 @@ struct compact_control { unsigned long migrate_pfn; /* isolate_migratepages search base */ bool sync; /* Synchronous migration */ - unsigned int order; /* order a direct compactor needs */ + int order; /* order a direct compactor needs */ int migratetype; /* MOVABLE, RECLAIMABLE etc */ struct zone *zone; }; -- To unsubscribe, send a message with 'unsubscribe linux-mm' in the body to majordomo@kvack.org. For more info on Linux MM, see: http://www.linux-mm.org/ . Fight unfair telecom internet charges in Canada: sign http://stopthemeter.ca/ Don't email: <a href=mailto:"dont@kvack.org"> email@kvack.org </a> ^ permalink raw reply related [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [patch] mm: compaction: make compact_control order signed 2012-02-01 14:41 ` Dan Carpenter @ 2012-02-01 14:59 ` Rik van Riel -1 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Rik van Riel @ 2012-02-01 14:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dan Carpenter Cc: Andrew Morton, Mel Gorman, Minchan Kim, Andrea Arcangeli, linux-mm, kernel-janitors On 02/01/2012 09:41 AM, Dan Carpenter wrote: > "order" is -1 when compacting via /proc/sys/vm/compact_memory. Making > it unsigned causes a bug in __compact_pgdat() when we test: > > if (cc->order< 0 || !compaction_deferred(zone, cc->order)) > compact_zone(zone, cc); Good catch! I had not even thought to check whether order was signed in struct compact_control, when I saw code using -1 as an order in various places :) > Signed-off-by: Dan Carpenter<dan.carpenter@oracle.com> Reviewed-by: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com> -- All rights reversed ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [patch] mm: compaction: make compact_control order signed @ 2012-02-01 14:59 ` Rik van Riel 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Rik van Riel @ 2012-02-01 14:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dan Carpenter Cc: Andrew Morton, Mel Gorman, Minchan Kim, Andrea Arcangeli, linux-mm, kernel-janitors On 02/01/2012 09:41 AM, Dan Carpenter wrote: > "order" is -1 when compacting via /proc/sys/vm/compact_memory. Making > it unsigned causes a bug in __compact_pgdat() when we test: > > if (cc->order< 0 || !compaction_deferred(zone, cc->order)) > compact_zone(zone, cc); Good catch! I had not even thought to check whether order was signed in struct compact_control, when I saw code using -1 as an order in various places :) > Signed-off-by: Dan Carpenter<dan.carpenter@oracle.com> Reviewed-by: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com> -- All rights reversed -- To unsubscribe, send a message with 'unsubscribe linux-mm' in the body to majordomo@kvack.org. For more info on Linux MM, see: http://www.linux-mm.org/ . Fight unfair telecom internet charges in Canada: sign http://stopthemeter.ca/ Don't email: <a href=mailto:"dont@kvack.org"> email@kvack.org </a> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [patch] mm: compaction: make compact_control order signed 2012-02-01 14:41 ` Dan Carpenter @ 2012-02-01 20:46 ` Andrew Morton -1 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Andrew Morton @ 2012-02-01 20:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dan Carpenter Cc: Mel Gorman, Minchan Kim, Rik van Riel, Andrea Arcangeli, linux-mm, kernel-janitors On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 17:41:01 +0300 Dan Carpenter <dan.carpenter@oracle.com> wrote: > "order" is -1 when compacting via /proc/sys/vm/compact_memory. Making > it unsigned causes a bug in __compact_pgdat() when we test: > > if (cc->order < 0 || !compaction_deferred(zone, cc->order)) > compact_zone(zone, cc); > > Signed-off-by: Dan Carpenter <dan.carpenter@oracle.com> > > diff --git a/mm/compaction.c b/mm/compaction.c > index 382831e..5f80a11 100644 > --- a/mm/compaction.c > +++ b/mm/compaction.c > @@ -35,7 +35,7 @@ struct compact_control { > unsigned long migrate_pfn; /* isolate_migratepages search base */ > bool sync; /* Synchronous migration */ > > - unsigned int order; /* order a direct compactor needs */ > + int order; /* order a direct compactor needs */ > int migratetype; /* MOVABLE, RECLAIMABLE etc */ > struct zone *zone; > }; One would expect this to significantly change the behaviour of /proc/sys/vm/compact_memory. Enfeebled minds want to know: is the new behaviour better or worse than the old behaviour? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [patch] mm: compaction: make compact_control order signed @ 2012-02-01 20:46 ` Andrew Morton 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Andrew Morton @ 2012-02-01 20:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dan Carpenter Cc: Mel Gorman, Minchan Kim, Rik van Riel, Andrea Arcangeli, linux-mm, kernel-janitors On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 17:41:01 +0300 Dan Carpenter <dan.carpenter@oracle.com> wrote: > "order" is -1 when compacting via /proc/sys/vm/compact_memory. Making > it unsigned causes a bug in __compact_pgdat() when we test: > > if (cc->order < 0 || !compaction_deferred(zone, cc->order)) > compact_zone(zone, cc); > > Signed-off-by: Dan Carpenter <dan.carpenter@oracle.com> > > diff --git a/mm/compaction.c b/mm/compaction.c > index 382831e..5f80a11 100644 > --- a/mm/compaction.c > +++ b/mm/compaction.c > @@ -35,7 +35,7 @@ struct compact_control { > unsigned long migrate_pfn; /* isolate_migratepages search base */ > bool sync; /* Synchronous migration */ > > - unsigned int order; /* order a direct compactor needs */ > + int order; /* order a direct compactor needs */ > int migratetype; /* MOVABLE, RECLAIMABLE etc */ > struct zone *zone; > }; One would expect this to significantly change the behaviour of /proc/sys/vm/compact_memory. Enfeebled minds want to know: is the new behaviour better or worse than the old behaviour? -- To unsubscribe, send a message with 'unsubscribe linux-mm' in the body to majordomo@kvack.org. For more info on Linux MM, see: http://www.linux-mm.org/ . Fight unfair telecom internet charges in Canada: sign http://stopthemeter.ca/ Don't email: <a href=mailto:"dont@kvack.org"> email@kvack.org </a> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [patch] mm: compaction: make compact_control order signed 2012-02-01 20:46 ` Andrew Morton @ 2012-02-01 21:17 ` Rik van Riel -1 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Rik van Riel @ 2012-02-01 21:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andrew Morton Cc: Dan Carpenter, Mel Gorman, Minchan Kim, Andrea Arcangeli, linux-mm, kernel-janitors On 02/01/2012 03:46 PM, Andrew Morton wrote: > On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 17:41:01 +0300 > Dan Carpenter<dan.carpenter@oracle.com> wrote: > >> "order" is -1 when compacting via /proc/sys/vm/compact_memory. Making >> it unsigned causes a bug in __compact_pgdat() when we test: >> >> if (cc->order< 0 || !compaction_deferred(zone, cc->order)) >> compact_zone(zone, cc); >> >> Signed-off-by: Dan Carpenter<dan.carpenter@oracle.com> >> >> diff --git a/mm/compaction.c b/mm/compaction.c >> index 382831e..5f80a11 100644 >> --- a/mm/compaction.c >> +++ b/mm/compaction.c >> @@ -35,7 +35,7 @@ struct compact_control { >> unsigned long migrate_pfn; /* isolate_migratepages search base */ >> bool sync; /* Synchronous migration */ >> >> - unsigned int order; /* order a direct compactor needs */ >> + int order; /* order a direct compactor needs */ >> int migratetype; /* MOVABLE, RECLAIMABLE etc */ >> struct zone *zone; >> }; > > One would expect this to significantly change the behaviour of > /proc/sys/vm/compact_memory. Enfeebled minds want to know: is > the new behaviour better or worse than the old behaviour? The old behaviour and the behaviour post Dan's fix are the same. My patch temporarily broke things, by testing for order < 0, instead of the explicit cc->order = -1 used elsewhere in the code. I did not notice it in my own testing because I tested on 3.2.0 and sent you patches against 3.3-current. It looks like this line of code is the one difference between both trees I was working on :( In my test tree, I had (cc->sync || !compaction_deferred(zone, cc->order)). Arguably, testing for cc->order = -1 (or cc->order < 0) is better anyway. -- All rights reversed ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [patch] mm: compaction: make compact_control order signed @ 2012-02-01 21:17 ` Rik van Riel 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Rik van Riel @ 2012-02-01 21:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andrew Morton Cc: Dan Carpenter, Mel Gorman, Minchan Kim, Andrea Arcangeli, linux-mm, kernel-janitors On 02/01/2012 03:46 PM, Andrew Morton wrote: > On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 17:41:01 +0300 > Dan Carpenter<dan.carpenter@oracle.com> wrote: > >> "order" is -1 when compacting via /proc/sys/vm/compact_memory. Making >> it unsigned causes a bug in __compact_pgdat() when we test: >> >> if (cc->order< 0 || !compaction_deferred(zone, cc->order)) >> compact_zone(zone, cc); >> >> Signed-off-by: Dan Carpenter<dan.carpenter@oracle.com> >> >> diff --git a/mm/compaction.c b/mm/compaction.c >> index 382831e..5f80a11 100644 >> --- a/mm/compaction.c >> +++ b/mm/compaction.c >> @@ -35,7 +35,7 @@ struct compact_control { >> unsigned long migrate_pfn; /* isolate_migratepages search base */ >> bool sync; /* Synchronous migration */ >> >> - unsigned int order; /* order a direct compactor needs */ >> + int order; /* order a direct compactor needs */ >> int migratetype; /* MOVABLE, RECLAIMABLE etc */ >> struct zone *zone; >> }; > > One would expect this to significantly change the behaviour of > /proc/sys/vm/compact_memory. Enfeebled minds want to know: is > the new behaviour better or worse than the old behaviour? The old behaviour and the behaviour post Dan's fix are the same. My patch temporarily broke things, by testing for order < 0, instead of the explicit cc->order == -1 used elsewhere in the code. I did not notice it in my own testing because I tested on 3.2.0 and sent you patches against 3.3-current. It looks like this line of code is the one difference between both trees I was working on :( In my test tree, I had (cc->sync || !compaction_deferred(zone, cc->order)). Arguably, testing for cc->order == -1 (or cc->order < 0) is better anyway. -- All rights reversed -- To unsubscribe, send a message with 'unsubscribe linux-mm' in the body to majordomo@kvack.org. For more info on Linux MM, see: http://www.linux-mm.org/ . Fight unfair telecom internet charges in Canada: sign http://stopthemeter.ca/ Don't email: <a href=mailto:"dont@kvack.org"> email@kvack.org </a> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [patch] mm: compaction: make compact_control order signed 2012-02-01 21:17 ` Rik van Riel @ 2012-02-01 21:24 ` Andrew Morton -1 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Andrew Morton @ 2012-02-01 21:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Rik van Riel Cc: Dan Carpenter, Mel Gorman, Minchan Kim, Andrea Arcangeli, linux-mm, kernel-janitors On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 16:17:10 -0500 Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com> wrote: > >> @@ -35,7 +35,7 @@ struct compact_control { > >> unsigned long migrate_pfn; /* isolate_migratepages search base */ > >> bool sync; /* Synchronous migration */ > >> > >> - unsigned int order; /* order a direct compactor needs */ > >> + int order; /* order a direct compactor needs */ > >> int migratetype; /* MOVABLE, RECLAIMABLE etc */ > >> struct zone *zone; > >> }; > > > > One would expect this to significantly change the behaviour of > > /proc/sys/vm/compact_memory. Enfeebled minds want to know: is > > the new behaviour better or worse than the old behaviour? > > The old behaviour and the behaviour post Dan's fix are the > same. > > My patch temporarily broke things, by testing for order < 0, > instead of the explicit cc->order = -1 used elsewhere in > the code. > > I did not notice it in my own testing because I tested on > 3.2.0 and sent you patches against 3.3-current. It looks > like this line of code is the one difference between both > trees I was working on :( > > In my test tree, I had (cc->sync || !compaction_deferred(zone, cc->order)). > > Arguably, testing for cc->order = -1 (or cc->order < 0) is > better anyway. I suppose it would be nicer to make the code in __compact_pgdat() match all the other places whcih do this: --- a/mm/compaction.c~mm-compaction-make-compact_control-order-signed-fix +++ a/mm/compaction.c @@ -686,7 +686,7 @@ static int __compact_pgdat(pg_data_t *pg INIT_LIST_HEAD(&cc->freepages); INIT_LIST_HEAD(&cc->migratepages); - if (cc->order < 0 || !compaction_deferred(zone, cc->order)) + if (cc->order = -1 || !compaction_deferred(zone, cc->order)) compact_zone(zone, cc); if (cc->order > 0) { _ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [patch] mm: compaction: make compact_control order signed @ 2012-02-01 21:24 ` Andrew Morton 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Andrew Morton @ 2012-02-01 21:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Rik van Riel Cc: Dan Carpenter, Mel Gorman, Minchan Kim, Andrea Arcangeli, linux-mm, kernel-janitors On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 16:17:10 -0500 Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com> wrote: > >> @@ -35,7 +35,7 @@ struct compact_control { > >> unsigned long migrate_pfn; /* isolate_migratepages search base */ > >> bool sync; /* Synchronous migration */ > >> > >> - unsigned int order; /* order a direct compactor needs */ > >> + int order; /* order a direct compactor needs */ > >> int migratetype; /* MOVABLE, RECLAIMABLE etc */ > >> struct zone *zone; > >> }; > > > > One would expect this to significantly change the behaviour of > > /proc/sys/vm/compact_memory. Enfeebled minds want to know: is > > the new behaviour better or worse than the old behaviour? > > The old behaviour and the behaviour post Dan's fix are the > same. > > My patch temporarily broke things, by testing for order < 0, > instead of the explicit cc->order == -1 used elsewhere in > the code. > > I did not notice it in my own testing because I tested on > 3.2.0 and sent you patches against 3.3-current. It looks > like this line of code is the one difference between both > trees I was working on :( > > In my test tree, I had (cc->sync || !compaction_deferred(zone, cc->order)). > > Arguably, testing for cc->order == -1 (or cc->order < 0) is > better anyway. I suppose it would be nicer to make the code in __compact_pgdat() match all the other places whcih do this: --- a/mm/compaction.c~mm-compaction-make-compact_control-order-signed-fix +++ a/mm/compaction.c @@ -686,7 +686,7 @@ static int __compact_pgdat(pg_data_t *pg INIT_LIST_HEAD(&cc->freepages); INIT_LIST_HEAD(&cc->migratepages); - if (cc->order < 0 || !compaction_deferred(zone, cc->order)) + if (cc->order == -1 || !compaction_deferred(zone, cc->order)) compact_zone(zone, cc); if (cc->order > 0) { _ -- To unsubscribe, send a message with 'unsubscribe linux-mm' in the body to majordomo@kvack.org. For more info on Linux MM, see: http://www.linux-mm.org/ . Fight unfair telecom internet charges in Canada: sign http://stopthemeter.ca/ Don't email: <a href=mailto:"dont@kvack.org"> email@kvack.org </a> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [patch] mm: compaction: make compact_control order signed 2012-02-01 21:24 ` Andrew Morton @ 2012-02-01 21:28 ` Rik van Riel -1 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Rik van Riel @ 2012-02-01 21:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andrew Morton Cc: Dan Carpenter, Mel Gorman, Minchan Kim, Andrea Arcangeli, linux-mm, kernel-janitors On 02/01/2012 04:24 PM, Andrew Morton wrote: > On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 16:17:10 -0500 > Rik van Riel<riel@redhat.com> wrote: > >>>> @@ -35,7 +35,7 @@ struct compact_control { >>>> unsigned long migrate_pfn; /* isolate_migratepages search base */ >>>> bool sync; /* Synchronous migration */ >>>> >>>> - unsigned int order; /* order a direct compactor needs */ >>>> + int order; /* order a direct compactor needs */ >>>> int migratetype; /* MOVABLE, RECLAIMABLE etc */ >>>> struct zone *zone; >>>> }; >>> >>> One would expect this to significantly change the behaviour of >>> /proc/sys/vm/compact_memory. Enfeebled minds want to know: is >>> the new behaviour better or worse than the old behaviour? >> >> The old behaviour and the behaviour post Dan's fix are the >> same. >> >> My patch temporarily broke things, by testing for order< 0, >> instead of the explicit cc->order = -1 used elsewhere in >> the code. >> >> I did not notice it in my own testing because I tested on >> 3.2.0 and sent you patches against 3.3-current. It looks >> like this line of code is the one difference between both >> trees I was working on :( >> >> In my test tree, I had (cc->sync || !compaction_deferred(zone, cc->order)). >> >> Arguably, testing for cc->order = -1 (or cc->order< 0) is >> better anyway. > > I suppose it would be nicer to make the code in __compact_pgdat() match > all the other places whcih do this: > > --- a/mm/compaction.c~mm-compaction-make-compact_control-order-signed-fix > +++ a/mm/compaction.c > @@ -686,7 +686,7 @@ static int __compact_pgdat(pg_data_t *pg > INIT_LIST_HEAD(&cc->freepages); > INIT_LIST_HEAD(&cc->migratepages); > > - if (cc->order< 0 || !compaction_deferred(zone, cc->order)) > + if (cc->order = -1 || !compaction_deferred(zone, cc->order)) > compact_zone(zone, cc); > > if (cc->order> 0) { Agreed, with that and Dan's patch, things should all be as expected. -- All rights reversed ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [patch] mm: compaction: make compact_control order signed @ 2012-02-01 21:28 ` Rik van Riel 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Rik van Riel @ 2012-02-01 21:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andrew Morton Cc: Dan Carpenter, Mel Gorman, Minchan Kim, Andrea Arcangeli, linux-mm, kernel-janitors On 02/01/2012 04:24 PM, Andrew Morton wrote: > On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 16:17:10 -0500 > Rik van Riel<riel@redhat.com> wrote: > >>>> @@ -35,7 +35,7 @@ struct compact_control { >>>> unsigned long migrate_pfn; /* isolate_migratepages search base */ >>>> bool sync; /* Synchronous migration */ >>>> >>>> - unsigned int order; /* order a direct compactor needs */ >>>> + int order; /* order a direct compactor needs */ >>>> int migratetype; /* MOVABLE, RECLAIMABLE etc */ >>>> struct zone *zone; >>>> }; >>> >>> One would expect this to significantly change the behaviour of >>> /proc/sys/vm/compact_memory. Enfeebled minds want to know: is >>> the new behaviour better or worse than the old behaviour? >> >> The old behaviour and the behaviour post Dan's fix are the >> same. >> >> My patch temporarily broke things, by testing for order< 0, >> instead of the explicit cc->order == -1 used elsewhere in >> the code. >> >> I did not notice it in my own testing because I tested on >> 3.2.0 and sent you patches against 3.3-current. It looks >> like this line of code is the one difference between both >> trees I was working on :( >> >> In my test tree, I had (cc->sync || !compaction_deferred(zone, cc->order)). >> >> Arguably, testing for cc->order == -1 (or cc->order< 0) is >> better anyway. > > I suppose it would be nicer to make the code in __compact_pgdat() match > all the other places whcih do this: > > --- a/mm/compaction.c~mm-compaction-make-compact_control-order-signed-fix > +++ a/mm/compaction.c > @@ -686,7 +686,7 @@ static int __compact_pgdat(pg_data_t *pg > INIT_LIST_HEAD(&cc->freepages); > INIT_LIST_HEAD(&cc->migratepages); > > - if (cc->order< 0 || !compaction_deferred(zone, cc->order)) > + if (cc->order == -1 || !compaction_deferred(zone, cc->order)) > compact_zone(zone, cc); > > if (cc->order> 0) { Agreed, with that and Dan's patch, things should all be as expected. -- All rights reversed -- To unsubscribe, send a message with 'unsubscribe linux-mm' in the body to majordomo@kvack.org. For more info on Linux MM, see: http://www.linux-mm.org/ . Fight unfair telecom internet charges in Canada: sign http://stopthemeter.ca/ Don't email: <a href=mailto:"dont@kvack.org"> email@kvack.org </a> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
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