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From: Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org>
To: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: "Aditya Kali"
	<adityakali-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Daniel P. Berrange"
	<berrange-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Max Kellermann" <mk-xMchvyqCc6DQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Tim Hockin" <thockin-Rl2oBbRerpQdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	"Glauber Costa" <glommer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	"Paul Menage" <paul-inf54ven1CmVyaH7bEyXVA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Daniel J Walsh" <dwalsh-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Oleg Nesterov" <oleg-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Ulli Horlacher"
	<framstag-otB+qtk3XKcL63KmMnjC+CEWGD4kr0XT@public.gmane.org>,
	"Johannes Weiner"
	<hannes-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>,
	"Tejun Heo" <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Cgroups <cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Andrew Morton"
	<akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
	Containers
	<containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Mandeep Singh Baines"
	<msb-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>,
	"Papp Tamás" <tompos-Rh2PkUZwdwxYmEVqv0PRRg@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/10] cgroups: Task counter subsystem v8
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 23:53:24 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F4FFDE4.8050908@free.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120202145000.GC9071-oHC15RC7JGTpAmv0O++HtFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>

On 02/02/2012 03:50 PM, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 11:51:07AM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
>> On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 19:50:01 +0100
>> Frederic Weisbecker<fweisbec-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>  wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 08:31:26AM -0800, Tejun Heo wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 04:37:40AM +0100, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
>>>>> Changes In this version:
>>>>>
>>>>> - Split 32/64 bits version of res_counter_write_u64() [1/10]
>>>>>    Courtesy of Kirill A. Shutemov
>>>>>
>>>>> - Added Kirill's ack [8/10]
>>>>>
>>>>> - Added selftests [9/10], [10/10]
>>>>>
>>>>> Please consider for merging. At least two users want this feature:
>>>> Has there been further discussion about this approach?  IIRC, we
>>>> weren't sure whether this should be merged.
>>> The doubts I have noticed were:
>>>
>>> Q: Can't we rather focus on a global solution to fight forkbombs?
>>>
>>> If we can find a reliable solution that works in any case and that
>>> prevent from any forkbomb to impact the rest of the system then it
>>> may be an acceptable solution. But I'm not aware of such feature.
>>>
>>> Besides, another point in having this task counter is that we
>>> have a per container limit. Assuming all containers are running under
>>> the same user, we can protect against a container starving all others
>>> with a massive amount of processes close to the NR_PROC rlimit.
>>>
>>> Q: Can/should we implement a limitation on the number of "fork" as well?
>>>     (as in https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/11/3/233 )
>>>
>>> I'm still not sure about why such a thing is needed. Is it really something we
>>> want? Why can't the task counter be used instead?
>>>
>>> I need more details from the author of this patch. But I doubt we can merge
>>> both subsystems, they have pretty different semantics.
>> What I struggle with is "is this feature useful enough to warrant
>> merging it"?
> The reason why I've been working on it is because we need this feature
> (at least) for LXC.

This feature is a recurrent request from the users of LXC. Recently, a 
container administrator complained an user was able to crash the entire 
host from a container.

http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=28915923

This feature is really useful to make the containers secure.

   -- Daniel

>
> Two people from our teams have jumped onto the discussion to express
> that they want this feature and why:
>
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/12/13/309
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/12/13/364
> _______________________________________________
> Containers mailing list
> Containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/containers
>

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@free.fr>
To: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
Cc: "Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Aditya Kali" <adityakali@google.com>,
	"Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	"Max Kellermann" <mk@cm4all.com>,
	"Tim Hockin" <thockin@hockin.org>,
	"Glauber Costa" <glommer@gmail.com>,
	"Paul Menage" <paul@paulmenage.org>,
	"Daniel J Walsh" <dwalsh@redhat.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Oleg Nesterov" <oleg@redhat.com>,
	"Mandeep Singh Baines" <msb@chromium.org>,
	Cgroups <cgroups@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Johannes Weiner" <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	"Tejun Heo" <tj@kernel.org>,
	Containers <containers@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	"Papp Tamás" <tompos@martos.bme.hu>,
	"Ulli Horlacher" <framstag@rus.uni-stuttgart.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/10] cgroups: Task counter subsystem v8
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 23:53:24 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F4FFDE4.8050908@free.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120202145000.GC9071@somewhere.redhat.com>

On 02/02/2012 03:50 PM, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 11:51:07AM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
>> On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 19:50:01 +0100
>> Frederic Weisbecker<fweisbec@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 08:31:26AM -0800, Tejun Heo wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 04:37:40AM +0100, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
>>>>> Changes In this version:
>>>>>
>>>>> - Split 32/64 bits version of res_counter_write_u64() [1/10]
>>>>>    Courtesy of Kirill A. Shutemov
>>>>>
>>>>> - Added Kirill's ack [8/10]
>>>>>
>>>>> - Added selftests [9/10], [10/10]
>>>>>
>>>>> Please consider for merging. At least two users want this feature:
>>>> Has there been further discussion about this approach?  IIRC, we
>>>> weren't sure whether this should be merged.
>>> The doubts I have noticed were:
>>>
>>> Q: Can't we rather focus on a global solution to fight forkbombs?
>>>
>>> If we can find a reliable solution that works in any case and that
>>> prevent from any forkbomb to impact the rest of the system then it
>>> may be an acceptable solution. But I'm not aware of such feature.
>>>
>>> Besides, another point in having this task counter is that we
>>> have a per container limit. Assuming all containers are running under
>>> the same user, we can protect against a container starving all others
>>> with a massive amount of processes close to the NR_PROC rlimit.
>>>
>>> Q: Can/should we implement a limitation on the number of "fork" as well?
>>>     (as in https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/11/3/233 )
>>>
>>> I'm still not sure about why such a thing is needed. Is it really something we
>>> want? Why can't the task counter be used instead?
>>>
>>> I need more details from the author of this patch. But I doubt we can merge
>>> both subsystems, they have pretty different semantics.
>> What I struggle with is "is this feature useful enough to warrant
>> merging it"?
> The reason why I've been working on it is because we need this feature
> (at least) for LXC.

This feature is a recurrent request from the users of LXC. Recently, a 
container administrator complained an user was able to crash the entire 
host from a container.

http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=28915923

This feature is really useful to make the containers secure.

   -- Daniel

>
> Two people from our teams have jumped onto the discussion to express
> that they want this feature and why:
>
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/12/13/309
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/12/13/364
> _______________________________________________
> Containers mailing list
> Containers@lists.linux-foundation.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/containers
>


  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-03-01 22:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-02-01  3:37 [PATCH 00/10] cgroups: Task counter subsystem v8 Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01  3:37 ` Frederic Weisbecker
     [not found] ` <1328067470-5980-1-git-send-email-fweisbec-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-01  3:37   ` [PATCH 01/10] cgroups: add res_counter_write_u64() API Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01  3:37     ` Frederic Weisbecker
     [not found]     ` <1328067470-5980-2-git-send-email-fweisbec-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-02 12:33       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2012-02-02 12:33       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2012-02-02 12:33         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
     [not found]         ` <20120202123322.GA12748-oKw7cIdHH8eLwutG50LtGA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-02 13:56           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-02 13:56             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01  3:37   ` [PATCH 02/10] cgroups: new resource counter inheritance API Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01  3:37     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01  3:37   ` [PATCH 03/10] cgroups: ability to stop res charge propagation on bounded ancestor Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01  3:37     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01  3:37   ` [PATCH 04/10] cgroups: add res counter common ancestor searching Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01  3:37     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01  3:37   ` [PATCH 05/10] res_counter: allow charge failure pointer to be null Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01  3:37     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01  3:37   ` [PATCH 06/10] cgroups: pull up res counter charge failure interpretation to caller Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01  3:37     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01  3:37   ` [PATCH 07/10] cgroups: allow subsystems to cancel a fork Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01  3:37     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01  3:37   ` [PATCH 08/10] cgroups: Add a task counter subsystem Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01  3:37     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01  3:37   ` [PATCH 09/10] selftests: Enter each directories before executing selftests Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01  3:37     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01  3:37   ` [PATCH 10/10] selftests: Add a new task counter selftest Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01  3:37     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01 16:31   ` [PATCH 00/10] cgroups: Task counter subsystem v8 Tejun Heo
2012-02-01 16:31     ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]     ` <20120201163126.GA19837-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-01 18:50       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01 18:50         ` Frederic Weisbecker
     [not found]         ` <20120201184959.GH6731-oHC15RC7JGTpAmv0O++HtFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-01 19:51           ` Andrew Morton
2012-02-01 19:51             ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]             ` <20120201115107.93e11471.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-02 14:50               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-02 14:50                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
     [not found]                 ` <20120202145000.GC9071-oHC15RC7JGTpAmv0O++HtFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-16 15:31                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-16 15:31                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-03-01 22:53                   ` Daniel Lezcano [this message]
2012-03-01 22:53                     ` Daniel Lezcano
     [not found]                     ` <4F4FFDE4.8050908-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-05  3:21                       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-03-05  3:21                         ` Frederic Weisbecker
     [not found]                         ` <20120305032130.GD18143-oHC15RC7JGTpAmv0O++HtFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-05 16:26                           ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-05 16:26                             ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                             ` <20120305162652.GO22536-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-05 16:27                               ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-05 16:27                               ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-05 16:27                                 ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                 ` <20120305162739.GP22536-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-05 16:48                                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-03-05 16:48                                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-03-05 16:48                                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-03-05  3:21                       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-02 14:50               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-03-05 16:44               ` Rik van Riel
2012-03-05 16:44                 ` Rik van Riel
2013-04-01 18:43   ` Tim Hockin
2013-04-01 18:43   ` Tim Hockin
2013-04-01 18:43     ` Tim Hockin
     [not found]     ` <CAAAKZwv9=NFmt6xj1KF2va1i6=UCvka0YkmdOY9JNUMHDOWpGw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-01 18:46       ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-01 18:46         ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]         ` <20130401184617.GB31435-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-01 20:09           ` Tim Hockin
2013-04-01 20:09             ` Tim Hockin
     [not found]             ` <CAAAKZwvemKDLeuKr6wWMUSVczkRVDZKSzYrXXEMcZ8qvcFR0zQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-01 20:29               ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-01 20:29                 ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                 ` <20130401202943.GC31435-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-01 21:02                   ` Tim Hockin
2013-04-01 21:02                   ` Tim Hockin
2013-04-01 21:02                     ` Tim Hockin
     [not found]                     ` <CAAAKZwuZwN68vtk1qO08GXB_OnQNVtqqp+v_NQfP27W0P_aWZw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-01 22:03                       ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-01 22:03                       ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-01 22:03                         ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                         ` <20130401220309.GA2487-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-01 22:20                           ` Tim Hockin
2013-04-01 22:20                             ` Tim Hockin
     [not found]                             ` <CAAAKZwuev7Y58ZQNtG+XdFRt0=NedD7zbYTAZbJ95ahBKLVhKA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-01 22:35                               ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-01 22:35                                 ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                 ` <20130401223500.GB2487-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-01 22:57                                   ` Tim Hockin
2013-04-01 22:57                                     ` Tim Hockin
     [not found]                                     ` <CAAAKZwvdMUAZ+N5d-cdCJbKUq=t9M6BbCxzOTWnVQQBrg55vhw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-01 23:18                                       ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-01 23:18                                         ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                         ` <20130401231824.GC2487-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-02  0:07                                           ` Tim Hockin
2013-04-02  0:07                                             ` Tim Hockin
2013-04-01 20:09           ` Tim Hockin
2013-04-01 18:46       ` Tejun Heo

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