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From: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>
To: "Liu, Jinsong" <jinsong.liu@intel.com>
Cc: "qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>, kvm <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Alexey Zaytsev <alexey.zaytsev@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Expose tsc deadline timer cpuid to guest
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 19:56:23 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F5A5257.9060008@siemens.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DE8DF0795D48FD4CA783C40EC82923350D7271@SHSMSX101.ccr.corp.intel.com>

On 2012-03-09 19:27, Liu, Jinsong wrote:
> Jan Kiszka wrote:
>> On 2012-03-06 08:49, Liu, Jinsong wrote:
>>> Jan,
>>>
>>> Any comments? I feel some confused about your point 'disable cpuid
>>> feature for older machine types by default': are you planning a
>>> common approach for this common issue, or, you just ask me a
>>> specific solution for the tsc deadline timer case?   
>>
>> I think a generic solution for this can be as simple as passing a
>> feature exclusion mask to cpu_init. You could simple append a string
>> of "-feature1,-feature2" to the cpu model that is specified on
>> creation. And that string could be defined in the compat machine
>> descriptions. Does this make sense?
>>
> 
> Jan, to prevent misunderstanding, I elaborate my understanding of your points below (if any misunderstanding please point out to me):
> =====================
> Your target is, to migrate from A(old qemu) to B(new qemu) by
> 1. at A: qemu-version-A [-cpu whatever]      // currently the default machine type is pc-A
> 2. at B: qemu-version-B -machine pc-A [-cpu whatever] -feature1 -feature2
> 
> B run new qemu-version-B (w/ new features 'feature1' and 'feature2'), but when B runs w/ compat '-machine pc-A', vm should not see 'feature1' and 'feature2', so commandline append string to cpu model '-cpu whatever -feature1 -feature2' to hidden new feature1 and feature2 to vm, hence vm can see same cpuid features (at B) as those at A (which means, no feature1, no feature2)
> =====================
> 
> If my understanding of your thoughts is right, I think currently qemu has satisfied your target, code refer to
>      pc_cpus_init(cpu_model)
>      ......
>      cpu_init(cpu_model)
> --> cpu_x86_register(*env, cpu_model)
> --> cpu_x86_find_by_name(*def, cpu_model)     // parse '+/- features', generate feature masks plus_features... 
>                                                                      // and minus_features...(this is feature exclusion masks you want)
> I think your point 'define in the compat machine description' is unnecessary.

The user would have to specify the new feature as exclusions *manually*
on the command line if -machine pc-A doesn't inject them
*automatically*. So it is necessary to enhance qemu in this regard.

Jan

-- 
Siemens AG, Corporate Technology, CT T DE IT 1
Corporate Competence Center Embedded Linux

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From: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>
To: "Liu, Jinsong" <jinsong.liu@intel.com>
Cc: Alexey Zaytsev <alexey.zaytsev@gmail.com>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	kvm <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Expose tsc deadline timer cpuid to guest
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 19:56:23 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F5A5257.9060008@siemens.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DE8DF0795D48FD4CA783C40EC82923350D7271@SHSMSX101.ccr.corp.intel.com>

On 2012-03-09 19:27, Liu, Jinsong wrote:
> Jan Kiszka wrote:
>> On 2012-03-06 08:49, Liu, Jinsong wrote:
>>> Jan,
>>>
>>> Any comments? I feel some confused about your point 'disable cpuid
>>> feature for older machine types by default': are you planning a
>>> common approach for this common issue, or, you just ask me a
>>> specific solution for the tsc deadline timer case?   
>>
>> I think a generic solution for this can be as simple as passing a
>> feature exclusion mask to cpu_init. You could simple append a string
>> of "-feature1,-feature2" to the cpu model that is specified on
>> creation. And that string could be defined in the compat machine
>> descriptions. Does this make sense?
>>
> 
> Jan, to prevent misunderstanding, I elaborate my understanding of your points below (if any misunderstanding please point out to me):
> =====================
> Your target is, to migrate from A(old qemu) to B(new qemu) by
> 1. at A: qemu-version-A [-cpu whatever]      // currently the default machine type is pc-A
> 2. at B: qemu-version-B -machine pc-A [-cpu whatever] -feature1 -feature2
> 
> B run new qemu-version-B (w/ new features 'feature1' and 'feature2'), but when B runs w/ compat '-machine pc-A', vm should not see 'feature1' and 'feature2', so commandline append string to cpu model '-cpu whatever -feature1 -feature2' to hidden new feature1 and feature2 to vm, hence vm can see same cpuid features (at B) as those at A (which means, no feature1, no feature2)
> =====================
> 
> If my understanding of your thoughts is right, I think currently qemu has satisfied your target, code refer to
>      pc_cpus_init(cpu_model)
>      ......
>      cpu_init(cpu_model)
> --> cpu_x86_register(*env, cpu_model)
> --> cpu_x86_find_by_name(*def, cpu_model)     // parse '+/- features', generate feature masks plus_features... 
>                                                                      // and minus_features...(this is feature exclusion masks you want)
> I think your point 'define in the compat machine description' is unnecessary.

The user would have to specify the new feature as exclusions *manually*
on the command line if -machine pc-A doesn't inject them
*automatically*. So it is necessary to enhance qemu in this regard.

Jan

-- 
Siemens AG, Corporate Technology, CT T DE IT 1
Corporate Competence Center Embedded Linux

  reply	other threads:[~2012-03-09 18:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-12-28 21:55 [PATCH 2/2] Expose tsc deadline timer cpuid to guest Liu, Jinsong
2011-12-28 21:55 ` [Qemu-devel] " Liu, Jinsong
2012-01-04 16:48 ` Jan Kiszka
2012-01-04 16:48   ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2012-01-05 20:07   ` Liu, Jinsong
2012-01-05 20:07     ` [Qemu-devel] " Liu, Jinsong
2012-01-05 20:34     ` Jan Kiszka
2012-01-05 20:34       ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2012-01-07 18:23       ` Liu, Jinsong
2012-01-07 18:23         ` [Qemu-devel] " Liu, Jinsong
2012-01-08 21:24         ` Jan Kiszka
2012-01-08 21:24           ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2012-02-27 16:05           ` Liu, Jinsong
2012-02-27 16:05             ` [Qemu-devel] " Liu, Jinsong
2012-02-27 17:18             ` Jan Kiszka
2012-02-27 17:18               ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2012-02-28 10:30               ` Liu, Jinsong
2012-02-28 10:30                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Liu, Jinsong
2012-03-06  7:49                 ` Liu, Jinsong
2012-03-06  7:49                   ` Liu, Jinsong
2012-03-06 10:14                   ` Jan Kiszka
2012-03-06 10:14                     ` Jan Kiszka
2012-03-09 18:27                     ` Liu, Jinsong
2012-03-09 18:27                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Liu, Jinsong
2012-03-09 18:56                       ` Jan Kiszka [this message]
2012-03-09 18:56                         ` Jan Kiszka
2012-03-09 19:09                         ` Liu, Jinsong
2012-03-09 19:09                           ` Liu, Jinsong
2012-03-09 20:52                           ` Jan Kiszka
2012-03-09 20:52                             ` Jan Kiszka
2012-03-10  1:07                             ` Andreas Färber
2012-03-10  1:07                               ` Andreas Färber
2012-03-11 18:54                             ` Liu, Jinsong
2012-03-11 18:54                               ` Liu, Jinsong
2012-03-12 17:21                             ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-25  8:51                               ` Liu, Jinsong
2012-03-25  8:51                                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Liu, Jinsong
2012-03-09 19:29                       ` Liu, Jinsong
2012-03-09 19:29                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Liu, Jinsong
2012-03-19 22:35                       ` Rik van Riel
2012-03-20 12:53                         ` Liu, Jinsong
2012-03-20 13:33                           ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-20 13:33                             ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-23  3:49                             ` Liu, Jinsong
2012-03-23  3:49                               ` Liu, Jinsong
2012-03-23 13:46                               ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-23 13:46                                 ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-23 14:17                                 ` Liu, Jinsong
2012-03-23 14:17                                   ` Liu, Jinsong
2012-04-19 20:03                                   ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-04-20 10:12                                     ` Jan Kiszka
2012-04-20 15:00                                       ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-04-20 15:19                                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2012-04-20 15:36                                           ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-04-21  7:23                                             ` Jan Kiszka
2012-04-23 14:48                                               ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-04-23 16:31                                                 ` Jan Kiszka
2012-04-23 20:02                                                   ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-04-24 16:06                                                     ` Jan Kiszka
2012-04-24 17:19                                                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Eduardo Habkost
2012-05-07 18:21                                                         ` Semantics of "-cpu host" (was Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Expose tsc deadline timer cpuid to guest) Eduardo Habkost
2012-05-07 18:21                                                           ` [Qemu-devel] Semantics of "-cpu host" (was " Eduardo Habkost
2012-05-08  0:58                                                           ` Alexander Graf
2012-05-08  0:58                                                             ` [Qemu-devel] " Alexander Graf
2012-05-08 20:14                                                             ` Semantics of "-cpu host" (was Re: [Qemu-devel] " Eduardo Habkost
2012-05-08 20:14                                                               ` [Qemu-devel] Semantics of "-cpu host" (was " Eduardo Habkost
2012-05-08 22:07                                                               ` Semantics of "-cpu host" (was Re: [Qemu-devel] " Alexander Graf
2012-05-08 22:07                                                                 ` [Qemu-devel] Semantics of "-cpu host" (was " Alexander Graf
2012-05-09  8:14                                                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-05-09  8:14                                                                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2012-05-09  8:42                                                                   ` Semantics of "-cpu host" (was Re: [Qemu-devel] " Alexander Graf
2012-05-09  8:42                                                                     ` [Qemu-devel] Semantics of "-cpu host" (was " Alexander Graf
2012-05-09  8:51                                                                     ` Semantics of "-cpu host" (was Re: [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2012-05-09  8:51                                                                       ` [Qemu-devel] Semantics of "-cpu host" (was " Gleb Natapov
2012-05-09  9:05                                                                       ` Semantics of "-cpu host" (was Re: [Qemu-devel] " Alexander Graf
2012-05-09  9:05                                                                         ` [Qemu-devel] Semantics of "-cpu host" (was " Alexander Graf
2012-05-09  9:38                                                                         ` Semantics of "-cpu host" (was Re: [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2012-05-09  9:38                                                                           ` [Qemu-devel] Semantics of "-cpu host" (was " Gleb Natapov
2012-05-09  9:54                                                                           ` Semantics of "-cpu host" (was Re: [Qemu-devel] " Alexander Graf
2012-05-09  9:54                                                                             ` [Qemu-devel] Semantics of "-cpu host" (was " Alexander Graf
2012-05-09 19:38                                                                           ` Semantics of "-cpu host" (was Re: [Qemu-devel] " Eduardo Habkost
2012-05-09 19:38                                                                             ` [Qemu-devel] Semantics of "-cpu host" (was " Eduardo Habkost
2012-05-09 20:30                                                                             ` Semantics of "-cpu host" (was Re: [Qemu-devel] " Alexander Graf
2012-05-09 20:30                                                                               ` [Qemu-devel] Semantics of "-cpu host" (was " Alexander Graf
2012-05-10 12:53                                                                             ` Gleb Natapov
2012-05-10 12:53                                                                               ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2012-05-10 13:21                                                                               ` Semantics of "-cpu host" (was Re: [Qemu-devel] " Alexander Graf
2012-05-10 13:21                                                                                 ` [Qemu-devel] Semantics of "-cpu host" (was " Alexander Graf
2012-05-10 13:39                                                                                 ` Semantics of "-cpu host" (was Re: [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2012-05-10 13:39                                                                                   ` [Qemu-devel] Semantics of "-cpu host" (was " Gleb Natapov
2012-05-10 14:12                                                                                   ` Semantics of "-cpu host" (was Re: [Qemu-devel] " Eduardo Habkost
2012-05-10 14:12                                                                                     ` [Qemu-devel] Semantics of "-cpu host" (was " Eduardo Habkost
2012-05-09  7:16                                                           ` Semantics of "-cpu host" (was Re: [Qemu-devel] " Andre Przywara
2012-05-09  7:16                                                             ` [Qemu-devel] Semantics of "-cpu host" (was " Andre Przywara
2012-06-14 19:02                                                         ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Expose tsc deadline timer cpuid to guest Liu, Jinsong
2012-06-14 19:02                                                           ` Liu, Jinsong
2012-06-14 19:12                                                           ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-06-14 19:12                                                             ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-06-14 19:18                                                             ` Liu, Jinsong
2012-06-14 19:18                                                               ` [Qemu-devel] " Liu, Jinsong

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