From: Jerome Marchand <jmarchan@redhat.com>
To: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: Satoru Moriya <satoru.moriya@hds.com>,
"jweiner@redhat.com" <jweiner@redhat.com>,
"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"riel@redhat.com" <riel@redhat.com>,
"lwoodman@redhat.com" <lwoodman@redhat.com>,
"shaohua.li@intel.com" <shaohua.li@intel.com>,
"dle-develop@lists.sourceforge.net"
<dle-develop@lists.sourceforge.net>,
Seiji Aguchi <seiji.aguchi@hds.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] avoid swapping out with swappiness==0
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 13:25:14 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F7ADE1A.2050004@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHGf_=p9OgVC9J-Nh78CTbuMbc9CVt-+-G+CNbYUsgz70Uc8Qg@mail.gmail.com>
On 04/02/2012 07:10 PM, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
> 2012/3/30 Satoru Moriya <satoru.moriya@hds.com>:
>> Hello Kosaki-san,
>>
>> On 03/07/2012 01:18 PM, Satoru Moriya wrote:
>>> On 03/07/2012 12:19 PM, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
>>>> Thank you. I brought back to memory it. Unfortunately DB folks are
>>>> still mainly using RHEL5 generation distros. At that time,
>>>> swapiness=0 doesn't mean disabling swap.
>>>>
>>>> They want, "don't swap as far as kernel has any file cache page". but
>>>> linux don't have such feature. then they used swappiness for emulate
>>>> it. So, I think this patch clearly make userland harm. Because of, we
>>>> don't have an alternative way.
>>
>> As I wrote in the previous mail(see below), with this patch
>> the kernel begins to swap out when the sum of free pages and
>> filebacked pages reduces less than watermark_high.
Actually, this is true only for global reclaims. Reclaims in cgroup can fail
in this case.
>>
>> So the kernel reclaims pages like following.
>>
>> nr_free + nr_filebacked >= watermark_high: reclaim only filebacked pages
>> nr_free + nr_filebacked < watermark_high: reclaim only anonymous pages
>
> How?
get_scan_count() checks that case explicitly:
if (global_reclaim(sc)) {
free = zone_page_state(mz->zone, NR_FREE_PAGES);
/* If we have very few page cache pages,
force-scan anon pages. */
if (unlikely(file + free <= high_wmark_pages(mz->zone))) {
fraction[0] = 1;
fraction[1] = 0;
denominator = 1;
goto out;
}
}
Regards,
Jerome
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From: Jerome Marchand <jmarchan@redhat.com>
To: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: Satoru Moriya <satoru.moriya@hds.com>,
"jweiner@redhat.com" <jweiner@redhat.com>,
"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"riel@redhat.com" <riel@redhat.com>,
"lwoodman@redhat.com" <lwoodman@redhat.com>,
"shaohua.li@intel.com" <shaohua.li@intel.com>,
"dle-develop@lists.sourceforge.net"
<dle-develop@lists.sourceforge.net>,
Seiji Aguchi <seiji.aguchi@hds.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] avoid swapping out with swappiness==0
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 13:25:14 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F7ADE1A.2050004@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHGf_=p9OgVC9J-Nh78CTbuMbc9CVt-+-G+CNbYUsgz70Uc8Qg@mail.gmail.com>
On 04/02/2012 07:10 PM, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
> 2012/3/30 Satoru Moriya <satoru.moriya@hds.com>:
>> Hello Kosaki-san,
>>
>> On 03/07/2012 01:18 PM, Satoru Moriya wrote:
>>> On 03/07/2012 12:19 PM, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
>>>> Thank you. I brought back to memory it. Unfortunately DB folks are
>>>> still mainly using RHEL5 generation distros. At that time,
>>>> swapiness=0 doesn't mean disabling swap.
>>>>
>>>> They want, "don't swap as far as kernel has any file cache page". but
>>>> linux don't have such feature. then they used swappiness for emulate
>>>> it. So, I think this patch clearly make userland harm. Because of, we
>>>> don't have an alternative way.
>>
>> As I wrote in the previous mail(see below), with this patch
>> the kernel begins to swap out when the sum of free pages and
>> filebacked pages reduces less than watermark_high.
Actually, this is true only for global reclaims. Reclaims in cgroup can fail
in this case.
>>
>> So the kernel reclaims pages like following.
>>
>> nr_free + nr_filebacked >= watermark_high: reclaim only filebacked pages
>> nr_free + nr_filebacked < watermark_high: reclaim only anonymous pages
>
> How?
get_scan_count() checks that case explicitly:
if (global_reclaim(sc)) {
free = zone_page_state(mz->zone, NR_FREE_PAGES);
/* If we have very few page cache pages,
force-scan anon pages. */
if (unlikely(file + free <= high_wmark_pages(mz->zone))) {
fraction[0] = 1;
fraction[1] = 0;
denominator = 1;
goto out;
}
}
Regards,
Jerome
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-04-03 11:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-03-02 17:36 [RFC][PATCH] avoid swapping out with swappiness==0 Satoru Moriya
2012-03-02 17:36 ` Satoru Moriya
2012-03-02 22:47 ` Rik van Riel
2012-03-02 22:47 ` Rik van Riel
2012-03-02 23:43 ` Satoru Moriya
2012-03-02 23:43 ` Satoru Moriya
2012-03-03 2:29 ` Hillf Danton
2012-03-03 2:29 ` Hillf Danton
2012-03-04 6:57 ` Minchan Kim
2012-03-04 6:57 ` Minchan Kim
2012-03-05 21:38 ` Satoru Moriya
2012-03-05 21:38 ` Satoru Moriya
2012-03-05 13:49 ` Rik van Riel
2012-03-05 13:49 ` Rik van Riel
2012-03-05 21:56 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-03-05 21:56 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-03-07 17:19 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-03-07 17:19 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-03-07 18:18 ` Satoru Moriya
2012-03-07 18:18 ` Satoru Moriya
2012-03-30 22:44 ` Satoru Moriya
2012-03-30 22:44 ` Satoru Moriya
2012-04-02 17:10 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-04-02 17:10 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-04-03 11:25 ` Jerome Marchand [this message]
2012-04-03 11:25 ` Jerome Marchand
2012-04-03 15:15 ` Satoru Moriya
2012-04-03 15:15 ` Satoru Moriya
2012-04-04 17:38 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-04-04 17:38 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-04-21 0:21 ` Satoru Moriya
2012-04-21 0:21 ` Satoru Moriya
2012-05-11 21:11 ` Satoru Moriya
2012-05-11 21:11 ` Satoru Moriya
2012-05-12 22:21 ` Rik van Riel
2012-05-12 22:21 ` Rik van Riel
2012-04-24 8:20 ` Richard Davies
2012-04-24 8:20 ` Richard Davies
2012-04-24 22:14 ` Satoru Moriya
2012-04-24 22:14 ` Satoru Moriya
2012-04-26 14:26 ` Richard Davies
2012-04-26 14:26 ` Richard Davies
2012-04-26 15:41 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-04-26 15:41 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-05-07 20:09 ` Rik van Riel
2012-05-07 20:09 ` Rik van Riel
2012-05-08 0:05 ` Minchan Kim
2012-05-08 0:05 ` Minchan Kim
2012-05-21 7:12 ` Richard Davies
2012-05-21 7:12 ` Richard Davies
2012-05-21 13:39 ` Satoru Moriya
2012-05-21 13:39 ` Satoru Moriya
2012-04-26 14:50 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-04-26 14:50 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-04-26 15:37 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-04-26 15:37 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-04-26 16:08 ` Richard Davies
2012-04-26 16:08 ` Richard Davies
2012-04-26 18:20 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-04-26 18:20 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-04-27 13:55 ` Rik van Riel
2012-04-27 13:55 ` Rik van Riel
2012-05-07 20:11 ` Rik van Riel
2012-05-07 20:11 ` Rik van Riel
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