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From: Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@gmail.com>
To: Tommaso Cucinotta <tommaso.cucinotta@sssup.it>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@redhat.com, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	cfriesen@nortel.com, oleg@redhat.com, fweisbec@gmail.com,
	darren@dvhart.com, johan.eker@ericsson.com, p.faure@akatech.ch,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, claudio@evidence.eu.com,
	michael@amarulasolutions.com, fchecconi@gmail.com,
	nicola.manica@disi.unitn.it, luca.abeni@unitn.it,
	dhaval.giani@gmail.com, hgu1972@gmail.com,
	paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, raistlin@linux.it,
	insop.song@ericsson.com, liming.wang@windriver.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 05/16] sched: SCHED_DEADLINE policy implementation.
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:21:21 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F965471.2030905@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F95D41F.5060700@sssup.it>

On 04/24/2012 12:13 AM, Tommaso Cucinotta wrote:
> Il 23/04/2012 17:41, Juri Lelli ha scritto:
>> The user could call __setparam_dl on a throttled task through
>> __sched_setscheduler.
>
> in case it can be related: a scenario that used to break isolation
> (in the old aquosa crap): 1) create a deadline task 2) (actively)
> wait till it's just about to be throttled 3) remove reservation
> (i.e., return the task to the normal system policy and destroy
> reservation info in the kernel) 4) reserve it again
>

Yes, this is very similar to what I thought just after I've sent the
email (ouch! :-)).
  
> Assuming the borderline condition of a nearly fully saturated system,
> if 3)-4) manage to happen sufficiently close to each other and right
> after 2), now the task budget is refilled with a deadline which is
> where it should not be, according to the admission control rules. In
> other words, we may break guarantees of other tasks by a properly
> misbehaving task. Something relevant when considering misbehaviour
> and admission control from a security perspective [1].
>

Thanks for the ref., I'll read it!

> At that time, I was persuaded that the right way to avoid this would
> be to avoid to free system cpu bw immediately when a reservation is
> destroyed, but rather wait till its current abs deadline, then "free"
> the bandwidth. A new task trying to re-create the reservation too
> early, i.e., at step 4) above, would be rejected by the system as it
> would still see a fully occupied cpu bw. Never implemented of course
> :-)...
>

A kind of "two steps" approach. It would work, I just have to think how
to implement it (and let the system survive ;-)). Then create some
bench to test it.

> And also, from a security perspective, a misbehaving (sched_other)
> task might thrash the system with useless nansosleeps forcing the OS
> to continuously schedule/deschedule it. Equivalently, with a deadline
> scheduler, you could try to set a very small period/deadline. That's
> why in [1], among the configurable variables, there was a minimum
> allowed reservation period.
>

Yes, this should be easily controlled at admission time.

> Nothing really urgent, just something you might want to keep in mind
> for the future, I thought.
>

Well, depends on how much effort will this turn to require. I personally
would prefer to be able to come out with a new release ASAP. Just to
continue the discussion with the most of the comments addressed and a
more updated code (I also have a mainline version of the patchset
quite ready).

Thanks a lot,

- Juri


  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-04-24  7:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 130+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-04-06  7:14 [RFC][PATCH 00/16] sched: SCHED_DEADLINE v4 Juri Lelli
2012-04-06  7:14 ` [PATCH 01/16] sched: add sched_class->task_dead Juri Lelli
2012-04-08 17:49   ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-04-08 18:09     ` Juri Lelli
2012-04-06  7:14 ` [PATCH 02/16] sched: add extended scheduling interface Juri Lelli
2012-04-06  7:14 ` [PATCH 03/16] sched: SCHED_DEADLINE data structures Juri Lelli
2012-04-23  9:08   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-23  9:47     ` Juri Lelli
2012-04-23  9:49       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-23  9:55         ` Juri Lelli
2012-04-23 10:12           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-23  9:13   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-23  9:28     ` Juri Lelli
2012-04-23  9:30   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-23  9:36     ` Juri Lelli
2012-04-23  9:39       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-23  9:34   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-23 10:16     ` Juri Lelli
2012-04-23 10:28       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-23 10:33         ` Juri Lelli
2012-04-06  7:14 ` [PATCH 04/16] sched: SCHED_DEADLINE SMP-related " Juri Lelli
2012-04-06  7:14 ` [PATCH 05/16] sched: SCHED_DEADLINE policy implementation Juri Lelli
2012-04-11  3:06   ` Steven Rostedt
2012-04-11  6:54     ` Juri Lelli
2012-04-11 13:41   ` Steven Rostedt
2012-04-11 13:55     ` Juri Lelli
2012-04-23 10:15   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-23 10:18     ` Juri Lelli
2012-04-23 10:31   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-23 10:37     ` Juri Lelli
2012-04-23 21:25       ` Tommaso Cucinotta
2012-04-23 21:45         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-23 23:25           ` Tommaso Cucinotta
2012-04-24  6:29             ` Dario Faggioli
2012-04-24  6:52               ` Juri Lelli
2012-04-23 11:32   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-23 12:13     ` Juri Lelli
2012-04-23 12:22       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-23 13:37         ` Juri Lelli
2012-04-23 14:01           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-23 11:34   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-23 11:57     ` Juri Lelli
2012-04-23 11:55   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-23 14:43     ` Juri Lelli
2012-04-23 15:11       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-23 21:55     ` Tommaso Cucinotta
2012-04-23 21:58       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-23 23:21         ` Tommaso Cucinotta
2012-04-24  9:50           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-24  1:03         ` Steven Rostedt
2012-04-23 14:11   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-23 14:25   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-23 15:34     ` Juri Lelli
2012-04-23 14:35   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-23 15:39     ` Juri Lelli
2012-04-23 15:43       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-23 16:41         ` Juri Lelli
     [not found]           ` <4F95D41F.5060700@sssup.it>
2012-04-24  7:21             ` Juri Lelli [this message]
2012-04-24  9:00               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-15 10:10         ` Juri Lelli
2012-04-23 15:15   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-23 15:37     ` Juri Lelli
2012-04-06  7:14 ` [PATCH 06/16] sched: SCHED_DEADLINE push and pull logic Juri Lelli
2012-04-06 13:39   ` Hillf Danton
2012-04-06 17:31     ` Juri Lelli
2012-04-07  2:32       ` Hillf Danton
2012-04-07  7:46         ` Dario Faggioli
2012-04-08 20:20         ` Juri Lelli
2012-04-09 12:28           ` Hillf Danton
2012-04-10  8:11             ` Juri Lelli
2012-04-11 15:57               ` Steven Rostedt
2012-04-11 16:00           ` Steven Rostedt
2012-04-11 16:09             ` Juri Lelli
2012-04-11 14:10     ` Steven Rostedt
2012-04-12 12:28       ` Hillf Danton
2012-04-12 12:51         ` Steven Rostedt
2012-04-12 12:56           ` Hillf Danton
2012-04-12 13:35             ` Steven Rostedt
2012-04-12 13:41               ` Hillf Danton
2012-04-11 16:07   ` Steven Rostedt
2012-04-11 16:11     ` Juri Lelli
2012-04-11 16:14   ` Steven Rostedt
2012-04-19 13:44     ` Juri Lelli
2012-04-11 16:21   ` Steven Rostedt
2012-04-11 16:24     ` Juri Lelli
2012-04-11 16:33   ` Steven Rostedt
2012-04-24 13:15     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-24 18:50       ` Steven Rostedt
2012-04-24 18:53         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-24 19:01           ` Steven Rostedt
2012-04-11 17:25   ` Steven Rostedt
2012-04-11 17:48     ` Juri Lelli
2012-04-06  7:14 ` [PATCH 07/16] sched: SCHED_DEADLINE avg_update accounting Juri Lelli
2012-04-06  7:14 ` [PATCH 08/16] sched: add period support for -deadline tasks Juri Lelli
2012-04-11 20:32   ` Steven Rostedt
2012-04-11 21:56     ` Juri Lelli
2012-04-11 22:13     ` Tommaso Cucinotta
2012-04-12  0:19       ` Steven Rostedt
2012-04-12  6:39     ` Luca Abeni
2012-04-06  7:14 ` [PATCH 09/16] sched: add schedstats " Juri Lelli
2012-04-06  7:14 ` [PATCH 10/16] sched: add resource limits " Juri Lelli
2012-04-24 15:07   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-24 15:22     ` Juri Lelli
2012-04-24 16:27       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-24 17:14         ` Juri Lelli
2012-04-06  7:14 ` [PATCH 11/16] sched: add latency tracing " Juri Lelli
2012-04-11 21:03   ` Steven Rostedt
2012-04-12  7:16     ` Juri Lelli
2012-04-16 15:51     ` Daniel Vacek
2012-04-16 19:56       ` Steven Rostedt
2012-04-16 21:31         ` Daniel Vacek
2012-04-06  7:14 ` [PATCH 12/16] rtmutex: turn the plist into an rb-tree Juri Lelli
2012-04-11 21:11   ` Steven Rostedt
2012-04-22 14:28     ` Juri Lelli
2012-04-23  8:33     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-23 11:37       ` Steven Rostedt
2012-04-06  7:14 ` [PATCH 13/16] sched: drafted deadline inheritance logic Juri Lelli
2012-04-12  2:42   ` Steven Rostedt
2012-04-22 14:04     ` Juri Lelli
2012-04-23  8:39     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-06  7:14 ` [PATCH 14/16] sched: add bandwidth management for sched_dl Juri Lelli
2012-04-06  7:14 ` [PATCH 15/16] sched: speed up -dl pushes with a push-heap Juri Lelli
2012-04-06  7:14 ` [PATCH 16/16] sched: add sched_dl documentation Juri Lelli
2012-04-06  8:25 ` [RFC][PATCH 00/16] sched: SCHED_DEADLINE v4 Luca Abeni
2012-04-07  9:25   ` Tadeus Prastowo
2012-04-06 11:07 ` Dario Faggioli
2012-04-07  7:52 ` Juri Lelli
2012-04-11 14:17 ` [RFC][PATCH 00/16] sched: " Steven Rostedt
2012-04-11 14:28   ` Juri Lelli
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2012-04-23 12:31 [PATCH 05/16] sched: SCHED_DEADLINE policy implementation cucinotta

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