From: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
Suresh Siddha <suresh.b.siddha@intel.com>,
Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Lai Jiangshan <laijs@cn.fujitsu.com>,
Dan Smith <danms@us.ibm.com>,
Bharata B Rao <bharata.rao@gmail.com>,
Lee Schermerhorn <Lee.Schermerhorn@hp.com>,
Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 14/26] sched, numa: Numa balancer
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 10:50:50 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4FFAEFCA.4030106@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1341837624.3462.68.camel@twins>
On 07/09/2012 08:40 AM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-07-09 at 14:23 +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>>> It is not yet clear to me how and why your code converges.
>>
>> I don't think it does.. but since the scheduler interaction is fairly
>> weak it doesn't matter too much from that pov.
Fair enough. It is just that you asked this same question
about Andrea's code, and I was asking myself that question
while reading your code (and failing to figure it out).
> That is,.. it slowly moves along with the cpu usage, only if there's a
> lot of remote memory allocations (memory pressure) things get funny.
>
> It'll try and rotate all tasks around a bit trying, but there's no good
> solution for a memory hole on one node and a cpu hole on another, you're
> going to have to take the remote hits.
Agreed, I suspect both your code and Andrea's code will
end up behaving fairly similarly in that situation.
> Again.. what do we want it to do?
That is a good question.
We can have various situations to deal with:
1) tasks fit nicely inside NUMA nodes
2) some tasks have more memory than what fits
in a NUMA node
3) some tasks have more threads than what fits
in a NUMA node
4) a combination of the above
I guess what we want the NUMA code to do to increase
the number of local memory accesses for each thread,
and do so in a relatively light weight way.
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From: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
Suresh Siddha <suresh.b.siddha@intel.com>,
Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Lai Jiangshan <laijs@cn.fujitsu.com>,
Dan Smith <danms@us.ibm.com>,
Bharata B Rao <bharata.rao@gmail.com>,
Lee Schermerhorn <Lee.Schermerhorn@hp.com>,
Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 14/26] sched, numa: Numa balancer
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 10:50:50 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4FFAEFCA.4030106@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1341837624.3462.68.camel@twins>
On 07/09/2012 08:40 AM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-07-09 at 14:23 +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>>> It is not yet clear to me how and why your code converges.
>>
>> I don't think it does.. but since the scheduler interaction is fairly
>> weak it doesn't matter too much from that pov.
Fair enough. It is just that you asked this same question
about Andrea's code, and I was asking myself that question
while reading your code (and failing to figure it out).
> That is,.. it slowly moves along with the cpu usage, only if there's a
> lot of remote memory allocations (memory pressure) things get funny.
>
> It'll try and rotate all tasks around a bit trying, but there's no good
> solution for a memory hole on one node and a cpu hole on another, you're
> going to have to take the remote hits.
Agreed, I suspect both your code and Andrea's code will
end up behaving fairly similarly in that situation.
> Again.. what do we want it to do?
That is a good question.
We can have various situations to deal with:
1) tasks fit nicely inside NUMA nodes
2) some tasks have more memory than what fits
in a NUMA node
3) some tasks have more threads than what fits
in a NUMA node
4) a combination of the above
I guess what we want the NUMA code to do to increase
the number of local memory accesses for each thread,
and do so in a relatively light weight way.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-07-09 14:51 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 304+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-03-16 14:40 [RFC][PATCH 00/26] sched/numa Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 01/26] mm, mpol: Re-implement check_*_range() using walk_page_range() Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 02/26] mm, mpol: Remove NUMA_INTERLEAVE_HIT Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-07-06 10:32 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-07-06 10:32 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-07-06 13:46 ` [tip:sched/core] mm: Fix vmstat names-values off-by-one tip-bot for Johannes Weiner
2012-07-06 14:48 ` [RFC][PATCH 02/26] mm, mpol: Remove NUMA_INTERLEAVE_HIT Minchan Kim
2012-07-06 14:48 ` Minchan Kim
2012-07-06 15:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-07-06 15:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-07-06 14:54 ` Kyungmin Park
2012-07-06 14:54 ` Kyungmin Park
2012-07-06 15:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-07-06 15:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 03/26] mm, mpol: add MPOL_MF_LAZY Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-23 11:50 ` Mel Gorman
2012-03-23 11:50 ` Mel Gorman
2012-07-06 16:38 ` Rik van Riel
2012-07-06 16:38 ` Rik van Riel
2012-07-06 20:04 ` Lee Schermerhorn
2012-07-06 20:04 ` Lee Schermerhorn
2012-07-06 20:27 ` Rik van Riel
2012-07-06 20:27 ` Rik van Riel
2012-07-09 11:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-07-09 11:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 04/26] mm, mpol: add MPOL_MF_NOOP Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-07-06 18:40 ` Rik van Riel
2012-07-06 18:40 ` Rik van Riel
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 05/26] mm, mpol: Check for misplaced page Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 06/26] mm: Migrate " Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-03 17:32 ` Dan Smith
2012-04-03 17:32 ` Dan Smith
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 07/26] mm: Handle misplaced anon pages Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 08/26] mm, mpol: Simplify do_mbind() Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 09/26] sched, mm: Introduce tsk_home_node() Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 10/26] mm, mpol: Make mempolicy home-node aware Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 18:34 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-03-16 18:34 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-03-16 21:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 21:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 13:53 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-03-19 13:53 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-03-19 14:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 14:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 15:16 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-03-19 15:16 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-03-19 15:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 15:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 15:31 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-03-19 15:31 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-03-19 17:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 17:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 17:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 17:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 19:06 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-03-19 19:06 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-03-19 20:28 ` Lee Schermerhorn
2012-03-19 20:28 ` Lee Schermerhorn
2012-03-19 21:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 21:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 11/26] mm, mpol: Lazy migrate a process/vma Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 12/26] sched, mm: sched_{fork,exec} node assignment Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-15 18:16 ` Tony Luck
2012-06-15 18:16 ` Tony Luck
2012-06-20 19:12 ` [PATCH] sched: Fix build problems when CONFIG_NUMA=y and CONFIG_SMP=n Luck, Tony
2012-06-20 19:12 ` Luck, Tony
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 13/26] sched: Implement home-node awareness Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 14/26] sched, numa: Numa balancer Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-07-07 18:26 ` Rik van Riel
2012-07-07 18:26 ` Rik van Riel
2012-07-09 12:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-07-09 12:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-07-09 12:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-07-09 12:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-07-09 12:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-07-09 12:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-07-09 14:50 ` Rik van Riel [this message]
2012-07-09 14:50 ` Rik van Riel
2012-07-08 18:35 ` Rik van Riel
2012-07-08 18:35 ` Rik van Riel
2012-07-09 12:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-07-09 12:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-07-09 14:54 ` Rik van Riel
2012-07-09 14:54 ` Rik van Riel
2012-07-12 22:02 ` Rik van Riel
2012-07-12 22:02 ` Rik van Riel
2012-07-13 14:45 ` Don Morris
2012-07-13 14:45 ` Don Morris
2012-07-14 16:20 ` Rik van Riel
2012-07-14 16:20 ` Rik van Riel
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 15/26] sched, numa: Implement hotplug hooks Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 12:16 ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-03-19 12:16 ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-03-19 12:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 12:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 12:27 ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-03-19 12:27 ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 16/26] sched, numa: Abstract the numa_entity Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 17/26] srcu: revert1 Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 18/26] srcu: revert2 Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 19/26] srcu: Implement call_srcu() Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 20/26] mm, mpol: Introduce vma_dup_policy() Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 21/26] mm, mpol: Introduce vma_put_policy() Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 22/26] mm, mpol: Split and explose some mempolicy functions Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 23/26] sched, numa: Introduce sys_numa_{t,m}bind() Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 24/26] mm, mpol: Implement numa_group RSS accounting Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 25/26] sched, numa: Only migrate long-running entities Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-07-08 18:34 ` Rik van Riel
2012-07-08 18:34 ` Rik van Riel
2012-07-09 12:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-07-09 12:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-07-09 14:53 ` Rik van Riel
2012-07-09 14:53 ` Rik van Riel
2012-07-09 14:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-07-09 14:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 26/26] sched, numa: A few debug bits Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 18:25 ` [RFC] AutoNUMA alpha6 Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-16 18:25 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-19 18:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 18:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 19:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-19 19:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-20 23:41 ` Dan Smith
2012-03-20 23:41 ` Dan Smith
2012-03-21 1:00 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-21 1:00 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-21 2:12 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-21 2:12 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-21 4:01 ` Dan Smith
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2012-03-21 12:49 ` Andrea Arcangeli
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2012-03-21 22:05 ` Dan Smith
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2012-03-21 7:12 ` Ingo Molnar
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2012-03-19 19:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
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2012-03-19 19:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
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