From: Nicola Vetrini <nicola.vetrini@bugseng.com>
To: Jan Beulich <jbeulich@suse.com>
Cc: "Stefano Stabellini" <sstabellini@kernel.org>,
victorm.lira@amd.com,
"Federico Serafini" <federico.serafini@bugseng.com>,
"Andrew Cooper" <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
"Anthony PERARD" <anthony.perard@vates.tech>,
"Michal Orzel" <michal.orzel@amd.com>,
"Julien Grall" <julien@xen.org>,
"Roger Pau Monné" <roger.pau@citrix.com>,
"Bertrand Marquis" <bertrand.marquis@arm.com>,
xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1] misra: add deviation for rules 21.1 and 21.2
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 10:09:31 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4d21245edbd4949a0aec6ecdadea437c@bugseng.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b7f7ab2b-baaa-416f-b390-5ed2229d34cb@suse.com>
On 2025-04-28 08:15, Jan Beulich wrote:
> On 25.04.2025 17:53, Nicola Vetrini wrote:
>> On 2025-04-25 10:07, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>> On 24.04.2025 23:45, Stefano Stabellini wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 24 Apr 2025, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>>> On 23.04.2025 19:54, victorm.lira@amd.com wrote:
>>>>>> From: Nicola Vetrini <nicola.vetrini@bugseng.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MISRA C Rules 21.1 ("#define and #undef shall not be used on a
>>>>>> reserved identifier or reserved macro name") and R21.2 ("A
>>>>>> reserved
>>>>>> identifier or reserved macro name shall not be declared")
>>>>>> violations
>>>>>> are not problematic for Xen, as it does not use the C or POSIX
>>>>>> libraries.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Xen uses -fno-builtin and -nostdinc to ensure this, but there are
>>>>>> still
>>>>>> __builtin_* functions from the compiler that are available so
>>>>>> a deviation is formulated for all identifiers not starting with
>>>>>> "__builtin_".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The missing text of a deviation for Rule 21.2 is added to
>>>>>> docs/misra/deviations.rst.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To avoid regressions, tag both rules as clean and add them to the
>>>>>> monitored set.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Nicola Vetrini <nicola.vetrini@bugseng.com>
>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Federico Serafini <federico.serafini@bugseng.com>
>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Victor Lira <victorm.lira@amd.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> While the rule is in the library section, ...
>>>>>
>>>>>> --- a/docs/misra/deviations.rst
>>>>>> +++ b/docs/misra/deviations.rst
>>>>>> @@ -587,7 +587,31 @@ Deviations related to MISRA C:2012 Rules:
>>>>>> construct is deviated only in Translation Units that
>>>>>> present
>>>>>> a violation
>>>>>> of the Rule due to uses of this macro.
>>>>>> - Tagged as `deliberate` for ECLAIR.
>>>>>> -
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> + * - R21.1
>>>>>> + - Rule 21.1 reports identifiers reserved for the C and POSIX
>>>>>> standard
>>>>>> + libraries. Xen does not use such libraries and all
>>>>>> translation units
>>>>>> + are compiled with option '-nostdinc', therefore there is
>>>>>> no
>>>>>> reason to
>>>>>> + avoid to use `#define` or `#undef` on such identifiers
>>>>>> except for those
>>>>>> + beginning with `__builtin_` for which compilers may
>>>>>> perform
>>>>>> (wrong)
>>>>>> + optimizations.
>>>>>> + - Tagged as `safe` for ECLAIR.
>>>>>
>>>>> ... I'd like to ask that it be explicitly clarified here that it's
>>>>> solely
>>>>> the library (and not e.g. the compiler itself) that are of concern
>>>>> here.
>>>>
>>>> The language can be clarified:
>>>>
>>>> - Rule 21.1 reports identifiers reserved for the C and POSIX
>>>> standard
>>>> libraries. Xen does not use such libraries and all translation
>>>> units
>>>> are compiled with option '-nostdinc', therefore there is no reason
>>>> to
>>>> avoid to use `#define` or `#undef` on C and POSIX standard
>>>> libraries
>>>> identifiers except for those beginning with `__builtin_` for which
>>>> compilers may perform (wrong) optimizations.
>>>
>>> Which makes it more apparent that there is a gap: What about e.g.
>>> __x86_64__?
>>> That falls within what the rules cover, is not a C or POSIX standard
>>> library
>>> identifier, yet very clearly must not be fiddled with. Whereas the
>>> text
>>> above deviates it.
>>
>> that is true, even if unlikely: one approach could be to avoid
>> deviating
>> predefined macros for all CUs as -nostdinc and -fno-builtins should
>> take
>> care of the rest; this kind of deviation is not currently possible in
>> ECLAIR, but it might be in the future.
>
> Is this perhaps because by "all pre-defined macros" you really mean
> _just_
> those, and not the entire reserved (for that purpose) sub-namespace?
> Imo
> we should not go by what a particular compiler may pre-define (we may
> even
> overlook something if we did it this way).
>
> Jan
>
I think there is a slight misalignment here: maybe I'm interpreting your
answer incorrectly. Let me try to restate the proposal: the following
identifiers are not allowed to be #define'd or #undef'd:
- __builtin_*
- for each CU, all macro identifiers already defined upon preprocessing
that CU by the compiler invocation for that CU. This set of identifiers
is always a subset of all the reserved identifiers, but is also
dependent on the compiler invocation that is used for that CU, (e.g.
__x86_64__ for an Arm target is usually safe to define, as it's
typically not a predefined macro introduced by the compiler for that
invocation, while (re)defining __STDC_VERSION__ or __SIZEOF_INT__ will
be a violation in any command line I can think of). Note that this is
not a static set, but is based on what is determined to be predefined at
the moment of the analysis, so it is not tied to what a particular
compiler pre-defines.
>> I think this could be
>> accomplished also via some gcc trickery on each CU, though I'm not
>> sure
>> how valued that is for Xen.
>>
--
Nicola Vetrini, B.Sc.
Software Engineer
BUGSENG (https://bugseng.com)
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicola-vetrini-a42471253
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-04-28 8:10 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-04-23 17:54 [PATCH v1] misra: add deviation for rules 21.1 and 21.2 victorm.lira
2025-04-23 17:54 ` [PATCH v1] misra: add deviation of Rule 5.5 victorm.lira
2025-04-23 18:16 ` Lira, Victor M
2025-04-23 20:41 ` Stefano Stabellini
2025-04-24 6:10 ` Jan Beulich
2025-04-24 11:58 ` Andrew Cooper
2025-04-23 20:45 ` Stefano Stabellini
2025-04-23 20:49 ` Stefano Stabellini
2025-04-23 17:54 ` [PATCH v1] misra: add deviation of Rule 10.1 for unary minus victorm.lira
2025-04-23 18:06 ` Lira, Victor M
2025-04-23 20:47 ` Stefano Stabellini
2025-04-23 20:48 ` Julien Grall
2025-04-23 21:09 ` Nicola Vetrini
2025-04-23 21:12 ` Julien Grall
2025-04-23 21:21 ` Stefano Stabellini
2025-04-23 20:44 ` [PATCH v1] misra: add deviation for rules 21.1 and 21.2 Stefano Stabellini
2025-04-24 6:15 ` Jan Beulich
2025-04-24 21:45 ` Stefano Stabellini
2025-04-25 8:07 ` Jan Beulich
2025-04-25 15:53 ` Nicola Vetrini
2025-04-28 6:15 ` Jan Beulich
2025-04-28 8:09 ` Nicola Vetrini [this message]
2025-04-28 9:04 ` Jan Beulich
2025-04-28 15:54 ` Nicola Vetrini
2025-07-02 9:55 ` Dmytro Prokopchuk1
2025-07-02 10:17 ` Nicola Vetrini
2025-07-17 20:47 ` Dmytro Prokopchuk1
2025-07-18 5:31 ` Jan Beulich
2025-07-18 9:17 ` Dmytro Prokopchuk1
2025-07-18 9:28 ` Dmytro Prokopchuk1
2025-07-18 11:08 ` Nicola Vetrini
2025-07-18 18:41 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-07-18 10:08 ` Jan Beulich
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