From: Dor Laor <dlaor@redhat.com>
To: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
Cc: wency@cn.fujitsu.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org, mst@redhat.com,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, penberg@kernel.org,
Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com>,
anthony@codemonkey.ws, avi@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/2] virtio: provide a way for host to monitor critical events in the device
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 11:26:30 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <500E5C36.2070601@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87a9yprc4v.fsf@rustcorp.com.au>
On 07/24/2012 07:55 AM, Rusty Russell wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 22:32:39 +0200, Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com> wrote:
>> As it was discussed recently, there's currently no way for the guest to notify
>> the host about panics. Further more, there's no reasonable way to notify the
>> host of other critical events such as an OOM kill.
>
> I clearly missed the discussion. Is this actually useful? In practice,
Admit this is not a killer feature..
> won't you want the log from the guest? What makes a virtual guest
> different from a physical guest?
Most times virt guest can do better than a physical OS. In that sense,
this is where virtualization shines (live migration, hotplug for any
virtual resource including net/block/cpu/memory/..).
There are plenty of niche but worth while small features such as the
virtio-trace series and other that allow the host/virt-mgmt to get more
insight into the guest w/o a need to configure the guest.
In theory guest OOM can trigger a host memory hot plug action. Again, I
don't see it as a key feature..
>
> Guest watchdog functionality might be useful, but that's simpler to
There is already a fully emulated watchdog device in qemu.
Cheers,
Dor
> implement via a virtio watchdog device, and more effective to implement
> via a host facility that actually pings guest functionality (rather than
> the kernel).
>
> Cheers,
> Rusty.
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From: Dor Laor <dlaor@redhat.com>
To: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
Cc: Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com>,
mst@redhat.com, penberg@kernel.org, asias.hejun@gmail.com,
virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
avi@redhat.com, anthony@codemonkey.ws, wency@cn.fujitsu.com
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/2] virtio: provide a way for host to monitor critical events in the device
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 11:26:30 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <500E5C36.2070601@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87a9yprc4v.fsf@rustcorp.com.au>
On 07/24/2012 07:55 AM, Rusty Russell wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 22:32:39 +0200, Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com> wrote:
>> As it was discussed recently, there's currently no way for the guest to notify
>> the host about panics. Further more, there's no reasonable way to notify the
>> host of other critical events such as an OOM kill.
>
> I clearly missed the discussion. Is this actually useful? In practice,
Admit this is not a killer feature..
> won't you want the log from the guest? What makes a virtual guest
> different from a physical guest?
Most times virt guest can do better than a physical OS. In that sense,
this is where virtualization shines (live migration, hotplug for any
virtual resource including net/block/cpu/memory/..).
There are plenty of niche but worth while small features such as the
virtio-trace series and other that allow the host/virt-mgmt to get more
insight into the guest w/o a need to configure the guest.
In theory guest OOM can trigger a host memory hot plug action. Again, I
don't see it as a key feature..
>
> Guest watchdog functionality might be useful, but that's simpler to
There is already a fully emulated watchdog device in qemu.
Cheers,
Dor
> implement via a virtio watchdog device, and more effective to implement
> via a host facility that actually pings guest functionality (rather than
> the kernel).
>
> Cheers,
> Rusty.
> --
> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe kvm" in
> the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org
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>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-07-24 8:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-07-23 20:32 [RFC 0/2] virtio: provide a way for host to monitor critical events in the device Sasha Levin
2012-07-23 20:32 ` Sasha Levin
2012-07-23 20:32 ` [RFC 1/2] virtio: Introduce virtio-notifier Sasha Levin
2012-07-23 20:32 ` Sasha Levin
2012-07-23 20:32 ` [RFC 2/2] kvm tools: support virtio-notifier Sasha Levin
2012-07-23 20:32 ` Sasha Levin
2012-07-24 4:55 ` [RFC 0/2] virtio: provide a way for host to monitor critical events in the device Rusty Russell
2012-07-24 4:55 ` Rusty Russell
2012-07-24 4:55 ` Rusty Russell
2012-07-24 8:26 ` Dor Laor [this message]
2012-07-24 8:26 ` Dor Laor
2012-07-24 12:30 ` Sasha Levin
2012-07-24 12:30 ` Sasha Levin
2012-07-24 12:46 ` Dor Laor
2012-07-24 12:46 ` Dor Laor
2012-07-24 13:01 ` Sasha Levin
2012-07-24 13:01 ` Sasha Levin
2012-07-25 0:36 ` Rusty Russell
2012-07-25 0:36 ` Rusty Russell
2012-07-25 8:46 ` Amit Shah
2012-07-25 8:46 ` Amit Shah
2012-07-24 12:23 ` Sasha Levin
2012-07-24 12:23 ` Sasha Levin
2012-07-24 7:44 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-07-24 7:44 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-07-24 12:26 ` Sasha Levin
2012-07-24 12:26 ` Sasha Levin
2012-07-24 12:28 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-07-24 12:28 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-07-24 12:31 ` Sasha Levin
2012-07-24 12:31 ` Sasha Levin
2012-07-24 12:33 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-07-24 12:33 ` Gleb Natapov
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