From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org, aik@ozlabs.ru,
benh@kernel.crashing.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] vfio: VFIO PCI driver for Qemu
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 19:47:11 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5011748F.2060005@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1343320859.3125.47.camel@ul30vt>
On 07/26/2012 07:40 PM, Alex Williamson wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 19:06 +0300, Avi Kivity wrote:
>> On 07/26/2012 05:56 PM, Alex Williamson wrote:
>> >
>> > Both KVM and VFIO do strive to make the device in the guest look as much
>> > like it does on bare metal as possible, but we don't guarantee they're
>> > identical and we don't guarantee to match each other.
>>
>> btw, this is somewhat problematic, conceivably this could break a guest
>> (due to a guest bug). But with device assignment the compatibility
>> requirements can be relaxed a bit since there is no live migration.
>
> Well, I would hope that things work better in vfio and we work to make
> that the recommended method of device assignment. We can't hold one
> back to make things identical. The only barrier I see to this is that
> vfio focuses on security, enforcing things like ACS to make sure devices
> can't do DMA to other devices outside of the group whereas KVM
> assignment will let you attempt to do nearly anything and counts on
> libvirt to only let the user attempt to do sane things. As you say,
> there's no live migration with device assignment, so absolute identical
> config space is not a requirement and the difference we do have should
> be sufficiently subtle that the guest doesn't care boot-to-boot.
We could add a strict backward compatibility option that forces the
layout, but it isn't worth it.
--
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function
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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
Cc: aik@ozlabs.ru, qemu-devel@nongnu.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH] vfio: VFIO PCI driver for Qemu
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 19:47:11 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5011748F.2060005@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1343320859.3125.47.camel@ul30vt>
On 07/26/2012 07:40 PM, Alex Williamson wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 19:06 +0300, Avi Kivity wrote:
>> On 07/26/2012 05:56 PM, Alex Williamson wrote:
>> >
>> > Both KVM and VFIO do strive to make the device in the guest look as much
>> > like it does on bare metal as possible, but we don't guarantee they're
>> > identical and we don't guarantee to match each other.
>>
>> btw, this is somewhat problematic, conceivably this could break a guest
>> (due to a guest bug). But with device assignment the compatibility
>> requirements can be relaxed a bit since there is no live migration.
>
> Well, I would hope that things work better in vfio and we work to make
> that the recommended method of device assignment. We can't hold one
> back to make things identical. The only barrier I see to this is that
> vfio focuses on security, enforcing things like ACS to make sure devices
> can't do DMA to other devices outside of the group whereas KVM
> assignment will let you attempt to do nearly anything and counts on
> libvirt to only let the user attempt to do sane things. As you say,
> there's no live migration with device assignment, so absolute identical
> config space is not a requirement and the difference we do have should
> be sufficiently subtle that the guest doesn't care boot-to-boot.
We could add a strict backward compatibility option that forces the
layout, but it isn't worth it.
--
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-07-26 18:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-07-25 17:03 [RFC PATCH] vfio: VFIO PCI driver for Qemu Alex Williamson
2012-07-25 17:03 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2012-07-25 19:30 ` Avi Kivity
2012-07-25 19:30 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2012-07-25 19:53 ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-25 19:53 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2012-07-26 8:35 ` Avi Kivity
2012-07-26 8:35 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2012-07-26 9:28 ` Andreas Hartmann
2012-07-26 9:40 ` Avi Kivity
2012-07-26 13:45 ` Andreas Hartmann
2012-07-26 14:56 ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-26 14:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2012-07-26 15:59 ` Avi Kivity
2012-07-26 15:59 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2012-07-26 16:33 ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-26 16:33 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2012-07-26 16:40 ` Avi Kivity
2012-07-26 16:40 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2012-07-26 19:11 ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-26 21:23 ` Andreas Hartmann
2012-07-26 21:37 ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-26 16:06 ` Avi Kivity
2012-07-26 16:06 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2012-07-26 16:40 ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-26 16:40 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2012-07-26 16:47 ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2012-07-26 16:47 ` Avi Kivity
2012-07-26 15:09 ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-26 15:09 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2012-07-26 16:34 ` Avi Kivity
2012-07-26 16:34 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2012-07-26 17:40 ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-26 17:40 ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-29 13:47 ` Avi Kivity
2012-07-29 13:47 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2012-07-30 22:29 ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-30 22:29 ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-31 12:34 ` Avi Kivity
2012-07-31 16:56 ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-31 16:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2012-07-27 19:22 ` Blue Swirl
2012-07-27 19:22 ` Blue Swirl
2012-07-27 20:28 ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-27 20:28 ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-28 2:55 ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
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