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From: Stephen Warren <swarren@wwwdotorg.org>
To: Sascha Hauer <s.hauer-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: "linux-fbdev-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
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	Laurent Pinchart
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] of: Add videomode helper
Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 18:30:57 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <501C18E1.3020901@wwwdotorg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120803073844.GK1451-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>

On 08/03/2012 01:38 AM, Sascha Hauer wrote:
> Hi Stephen,
> 
> On Thu, Aug 02, 2012 at 01:35:40PM -0600, Stephen Warren wrote:
>> On 07/04/2012 01:56 AM, Sascha Hauer wrote:
>>> This patch adds a helper function for parsing videomodes from the devicetree.
>>> The videomode can be either converted to a struct drm_display_mode or a
>>> struct fb_videomode.
>>
>>> diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/video/displaymode b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/video/displaymode
>>
>>> +Required properties:
>>> + - xres, yres: Display resolution
>>> + - left-margin, right-margin, hsync-len: Horizontal Display timing parameters
>>> +   in pixels
>>> +   upper-margin, lower-margin, vsync-len: Vertical display timing parameters in
>>> +   lines
>>
>> Perhaps bike-shedding, but...
>>
>> For the margin property names, wouldn't it be better to use terminology
>> more commonly used for video timings rather than Linux FB naming. In
>> other words naming like:
>>
>> hactive, hsync-len, hfront-porch, hback-porch?
> 
> Can do. Just to make sure:
> 
> hactive = xres
> hsync-len = hsync-len
> hfront-porch = right-margin
> hback-porch = left-margin

I believe so yes.

>> a) They're already standardized and very common.
> 
> Indeed, that's a big plus for EDID. I have no intention of removing EDID
> data from the devicetree. There are situations where EDID is handy, for
> example when you get EDID data provided by your vendor.
> 
>>
>> b) They allow other information such as a display's HDMI audio
>> capabilities to be represented, which can then feed into an ALSA driver.
>>
>> c) The few LCD panel datasheets I've seen actually quote their
>> specification as an EDID already, so deriving the EDID may actually be easy.
>>
>> d) People familiar with displays are almost certainly familiar with
>> EDID's mode representation. There are many ways of representing display
>> modes (sync position vs. porch widths, htotal specified rather than
>> specifying all the components and hence htotal being calculated etc.).
>> Not everyone will be familiar with all representations. Conversion
>> errors are less likely if the target is EDID's familiar format.
> 
> You seem to think about a different class of displays for which EDID
> indeed is a better way to handle. What I have to deal with here mostly
> are dumb displays which:
> 
> - can only handle their native resolution
> - Have no audio capabilities at all
> - come with a datasheet which specify a min/typ/max triplet for
>   xres,hsync,..., often enough they are scanned to pdf from some previously
>   printed paper.
> 
> These displays are very common on embedded devices, probably that's the
> reason I did not even think about the possibility that a single display
> might have different modes.

That's true, but as I mentioned, there are at least some dumb panels
(both I've seen recently) whose specification provides the EDID. I don't
know how common that is though, I must admit.

>> e) You'll end up with exactly the same data as if you have a DDC-based
>> external monitor rather than an internal panel, so you end up getting to
>> a common path in display handling code much more quickly.
> 
> All we have in our display driver currently is:
> 
> 	edidp = of_get_property(np, "edid", &imxpd->edid_len);
> 	if (edidp) {
> 		imxpd->edid = kmemdup(edidp, imxpd->edid_len, GFP_KERNEL);
> 	} else {
> 		ret = of_get_video_mode(np, &imxpd->mode, NULL);
> 		if (!ret)
> 			imxpd->mode_valid = 1;
> 	}

Presumably there's more to it though; something later checks
imxpd->mode_valid and if false, parses the EDID and sets up imxpd->mode,
etc.

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From: Stephen Warren <swarren-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
To: Sascha Hauer <s.hauer-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: "linux-fbdev-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-fbdev-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"devicetree-discuss-uLR06cmDAlY/bJ5BZ2RsiQ@public.gmane.org"
	<devicetree-discuss-uLR06cmDAlY/bJ5BZ2RsiQ@public.gmane.org>,
	"dri-devel-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW@public.gmane.org"
	<dri-devel-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW@public.gmane.org>,
	Laurent Pinchart
	<laurent.pinchart-ryLnwIuWjnjg/C1BVhZhaw@public.gmane.org>,
	"kernel-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org"
	<kernel-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] of: Add videomode helper
Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 12:30:57 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <501C18E1.3020901@wwwdotorg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120803073844.GK1451-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>

On 08/03/2012 01:38 AM, Sascha Hauer wrote:
> Hi Stephen,
> 
> On Thu, Aug 02, 2012 at 01:35:40PM -0600, Stephen Warren wrote:
>> On 07/04/2012 01:56 AM, Sascha Hauer wrote:
>>> This patch adds a helper function for parsing videomodes from the devicetree.
>>> The videomode can be either converted to a struct drm_display_mode or a
>>> struct fb_videomode.
>>
>>> diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/video/displaymode b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/video/displaymode
>>
>>> +Required properties:
>>> + - xres, yres: Display resolution
>>> + - left-margin, right-margin, hsync-len: Horizontal Display timing parameters
>>> +   in pixels
>>> +   upper-margin, lower-margin, vsync-len: Vertical display timing parameters in
>>> +   lines
>>
>> Perhaps bike-shedding, but...
>>
>> For the margin property names, wouldn't it be better to use terminology
>> more commonly used for video timings rather than Linux FB naming. In
>> other words naming like:
>>
>> hactive, hsync-len, hfront-porch, hback-porch?
> 
> Can do. Just to make sure:
> 
> hactive == xres
> hsync-len == hsync-len
> hfront-porch == right-margin
> hback-porch == left-margin

I believe so yes.

>> a) They're already standardized and very common.
> 
> Indeed, that's a big plus for EDID. I have no intention of removing EDID
> data from the devicetree. There are situations where EDID is handy, for
> example when you get EDID data provided by your vendor.
> 
>>
>> b) They allow other information such as a display's HDMI audio
>> capabilities to be represented, which can then feed into an ALSA driver.
>>
>> c) The few LCD panel datasheets I've seen actually quote their
>> specification as an EDID already, so deriving the EDID may actually be easy.
>>
>> d) People familiar with displays are almost certainly familiar with
>> EDID's mode representation. There are many ways of representing display
>> modes (sync position vs. porch widths, htotal specified rather than
>> specifying all the components and hence htotal being calculated etc.).
>> Not everyone will be familiar with all representations. Conversion
>> errors are less likely if the target is EDID's familiar format.
> 
> You seem to think about a different class of displays for which EDID
> indeed is a better way to handle. What I have to deal with here mostly
> are dumb displays which:
> 
> - can only handle their native resolution
> - Have no audio capabilities at all
> - come with a datasheet which specify a min/typ/max triplet for
>   xres,hsync,..., often enough they are scanned to pdf from some previously
>   printed paper.
> 
> These displays are very common on embedded devices, probably that's the
> reason I did not even think about the possibility that a single display
> might have different modes.

That's true, but as I mentioned, there are at least some dumb panels
(both I've seen recently) whose specification provides the EDID. I don't
know how common that is though, I must admit.

>> e) You'll end up with exactly the same data as if you have a DDC-based
>> external monitor rather than an internal panel, so you end up getting to
>> a common path in display handling code much more quickly.
> 
> All we have in our display driver currently is:
> 
> 	edidp = of_get_property(np, "edid", &imxpd->edid_len);
> 	if (edidp) {
> 		imxpd->edid = kmemdup(edidp, imxpd->edid_len, GFP_KERNEL);
> 	} else {
> 		ret = of_get_video_mode(np, &imxpd->mode, NULL);
> 		if (!ret)
> 			imxpd->mode_valid = 1;
> 	}

Presumably there's more to it though; something later checks
imxpd->mode_valid and if false, parses the EDID and sets up imxpd->mode,
etc.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-08-03 18:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-07-04  7:56 [PATCH v2] of: Add videomode helper Sascha Hauer
2012-07-04  7:56 ` Sascha Hauer
2012-07-05 14:08 ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-07-05 14:08   ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-07-05 16:50   ` Sascha Hauer
2012-07-05 16:50     ` Sascha Hauer
     [not found]     ` <20120705165029.GU30009-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-08-08 12:41       ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-08-08 12:41         ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-07-11  8:34 ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-07-11  8:34   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
     [not found]   ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.1207111031200.18999-0199iw4Nj15frtckUFj5Ag@public.gmane.org>
2012-07-11 19:04     ` Sascha Hauer
2012-07-11 19:04       ` Sascha Hauer
     [not found]       ` <20120711190414.GQ30009-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-07-11 20:40         ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-07-11 20:40           ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
     [not found] ` <1341388595-30672-1-git-send-email-s.hauer-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-07-05 14:51   ` Rob Herring
2012-07-05 14:51     ` Rob Herring
     [not found]     ` <4FF5A9FB.7010004-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-07-05 18:39       ` Sascha Hauer
2012-07-05 18:39         ` Sascha Hauer
2012-08-02 19:43       ` Stephen Warren
2012-08-02 19:43         ` Stephen Warren
2012-08-02 19:35   ` Stephen Warren
2012-08-02 19:35     ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]     ` <501AD68C.1000904-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-08-03  7:38       ` Sascha Hauer
2012-08-03  7:38         ` Sascha Hauer
     [not found]         ` <20120803073844.GK1451-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-08-03 18:30           ` Stephen Warren [this message]
2012-08-03 18:30             ` Stephen Warren
2012-08-08 12:40           ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-08-08 12:40             ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-09-13 10:54   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-09-13 10:54     ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-09-13 11:19     ` Sascha Hauer
2012-09-13 11:19       ` Sascha Hauer
     [not found]       ` <20120913111954.GH6180-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-25 12:59         ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-09-25 13:00           ` Laurent Pinchart

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