[Qemu-devel] TRIM, UNMAP and QCOW2 release of block information - Thin provisioning

[Qemu-devel] TRIM, UNMAP and QCOW2 release of block information - Thin provisioning

[Gerhard Wiesinger]

Hello,

As far as I saw QEMU/KVM supports the trim command on IDE/SATA devices 
and the UNMAP command on SCSI devices/disks (thanks Paolo Bonzini). Will 
the qcow2 format (or other formats) use this information and also 
release the blocks for thin provisioning to save disk space on filesystems?

VirtualBox also has such a feature in the new beta version:
http://www.fb-developers.info/blog/2012/virtualbox-v4-2-is-coming/

Thnx.

Ciao,
Gerhard

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Re: [Qemu-devel] TRIM, UNMAP and QCOW2 release of block information - Thin provisioning

[Stefan Hajnoczi]

On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 8:00 PM, Gerhard Wiesinger <lists@wiesinger.com> wrote:
> As far as I saw QEMU/KVM supports the trim command on IDE/SATA devices and
> the UNMAP command on SCSI devices/disks (thanks Paolo Bonzini). Will the
> qcow2 format (or other formats) use this information and also release the
> blocks for thin provisioning to save disk space on filesystems?
>
> VirtualBox also has such a feature in the new beta version:
> http://www.fb-developers.info/blog/2012/virtualbox-v4-2-is-coming/

This has recently been discussed, please search the list for more info
from Kevin Wolf or Paolo Bonzini.

qcow2 marks the discarded blocks as free and will reuse them in future
allocations.  It does *not* discard at the OS level.

For raw files you can get discard to work on an xfs host file system.
In the future ext4 support can also be added.

Stefan

Re: [Qemu-devel] TRIM, UNMAP and QCOW2 release of block information - Thin provisioning

[Kevin Wolf]

Am 13.08.2012 10:31, schrieb Stefan Hajnoczi:
> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 8:00 PM, Gerhard Wiesinger <lists@wiesinger.com> wrote:
>> As far as I saw QEMU/KVM supports the trim command on IDE/SATA devices and
>> the UNMAP command on SCSI devices/disks (thanks Paolo Bonzini). Will the
>> qcow2 format (or other formats) use this information and also release the
>> blocks for thin provisioning to save disk space on filesystems?
>>
>> VirtualBox also has such a feature in the new beta version:
>> http://www.fb-developers.info/blog/2012/virtualbox-v4-2-is-coming/
> 
> This has recently been discussed, please search the list for more info
> from Kevin Wolf or Paolo Bonzini.
> 
> qcow2 marks the discarded blocks as free and will reuse them in future
> allocations.  It does *not* discard at the OS level.
> 
> For raw files you can get discard to work on an xfs host file system.
> In the future ext4 support can also be added.

The problem with it is that passing discards through to the file system,
or even handling them at all isn't always wanted. It is already a slow
operation for itself, but it also makes the next write access slower and
can cause fragmentation.

So you'd really want some more options to configure it, and I believe to
achieve what we want, changes are not only required to qemu, but to both
host and guest kernel. Paolo is looking into this.

Btw, the more interesting news for me in the VBox link you posted is
that they seem to have implemented QED, qcow1, and read-only qcow2.

Kevin