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From: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Nicholas A. Bellinger" <nab@linux-iscsi.org>,
	target-devel <target-devel@vger.kernel.org>,
	lf-virt <virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	kvm-devel <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Zhi Yong Wu <wuzhy@cn.ibm.com>,
	Anthony Liguori <aliguori@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>,
	Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	Zhi Yong Wu <wuzhy@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/5] virtio-scsi: Add start/stop functionality for vhost-scsi
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 08:46:34 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <504F40BA.7020800@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120910062437.GD16819@redhat.com>

On 09/10/2012 01:24 AM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 08:16:54AM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>> Il 09/09/2012 00:40, Michael S. Tsirkin ha scritto:
>>> On Fri, Sep 07, 2012 at 06:00:50PM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>>>> Il 07/09/2012 08:48, Nicholas A. Bellinger ha scritto:
>>>>> Cc: Stefan Hajnoczi<stefanha@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
>>>>> Cc: Zhi Yong Wu<wuzhy@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
>>>>> Cc: Michael S. Tsirkin<mst@redhat.com>
>>>>> Cc: Paolo Bonzini<pbonzini@redhat.com>
>>>>> Signed-off-by: Nicholas Bellinger<nab@linux-iscsi.org>
>>>>> ---
>>>>>   hw/virtio-pci.c  |    2 ++
>>>>>   hw/virtio-scsi.c |   49 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>   hw/virtio-scsi.h |    1 +
>>>>>   3 files changed, 52 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-)
>>>>
>>>> Please create a completely separate device vhost-scsi-pci instead (or
>>>> virtio-scsi-tcm-pci, or something like that).  It is used completely
>>>> differently from virtio-scsi-pci, it does not make sense to conflate the
>>>> two.
>>>
>>> Ideally the name would say how it is different, not what backend it
>>> uses. Any good suggestions?
>>
>> I chose the backend name because, ideally, there would be no other
>> difference.  QEMU _could_ implement all the goodies in vhost-scsi (such
>> as reservations or ALUA), it just doesn't do that yet.
>>
>> Paolo
>
> Then why do you say "It is used completely differently from
> virtio-scsi-pci"?  Isn't it just a different backend?
>
> If yes then it should be a backend option, like it is
> for virtio-net.

I don't mean to bike shed here so don't take this as a nack on making it a 
backend option, but in retrospect, the way we did vhost-net was a mistake even 
though I strongly advocated for it to be a backend option.

The code to do it is really, really ugly.  I think it would have made a lot more 
sense to just make it a device and then have it not use a netdev backend or any 
other kind of backend split.

For instance:

qemu -device vhost-net-pci,tapfd=X

I know this breaks the model of separate backends and frontends but since 
vhost-net absolutely requires a tap fd, I think it's better in the long run to 
not abuse the netdev backend to prevent user confusion.  Having a dedicated 
backend type that only has one possible option and can only be used by one 
device is a bit silly too.

So I would be in favor of dropping/squashing 3/5 and radically simplifying how 
this was exposed to the user.

I would just take qemu_vhost_scsi_opts and make them device properties.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

>

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	kvm-devel <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	Zhi Yong Wu <wuzhy@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"Nicholas A. Bellinger" <nab@linux-iscsi.org>,
	lf-virt <virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Anthony Liguori <aliguori@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	target-devel <target-devel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Zhi Yong Wu <wuzhy@cn.ibm.com>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 4/5] virtio-scsi: Add start/stop functionality for vhost-scsi
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 08:46:34 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <504F40BA.7020800@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120910062437.GD16819@redhat.com>

On 09/10/2012 01:24 AM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 08:16:54AM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>> Il 09/09/2012 00:40, Michael S. Tsirkin ha scritto:
>>> On Fri, Sep 07, 2012 at 06:00:50PM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>>>> Il 07/09/2012 08:48, Nicholas A. Bellinger ha scritto:
>>>>> Cc: Stefan Hajnoczi<stefanha@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
>>>>> Cc: Zhi Yong Wu<wuzhy@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
>>>>> Cc: Michael S. Tsirkin<mst@redhat.com>
>>>>> Cc: Paolo Bonzini<pbonzini@redhat.com>
>>>>> Signed-off-by: Nicholas Bellinger<nab@linux-iscsi.org>
>>>>> ---
>>>>>   hw/virtio-pci.c  |    2 ++
>>>>>   hw/virtio-scsi.c |   49 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>   hw/virtio-scsi.h |    1 +
>>>>>   3 files changed, 52 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-)
>>>>
>>>> Please create a completely separate device vhost-scsi-pci instead (or
>>>> virtio-scsi-tcm-pci, or something like that).  It is used completely
>>>> differently from virtio-scsi-pci, it does not make sense to conflate the
>>>> two.
>>>
>>> Ideally the name would say how it is different, not what backend it
>>> uses. Any good suggestions?
>>
>> I chose the backend name because, ideally, there would be no other
>> difference.  QEMU _could_ implement all the goodies in vhost-scsi (such
>> as reservations or ALUA), it just doesn't do that yet.
>>
>> Paolo
>
> Then why do you say "It is used completely differently from
> virtio-scsi-pci"?  Isn't it just a different backend?
>
> If yes then it should be a backend option, like it is
> for virtio-net.

I don't mean to bike shed here so don't take this as a nack on making it a 
backend option, but in retrospect, the way we did vhost-net was a mistake even 
though I strongly advocated for it to be a backend option.

The code to do it is really, really ugly.  I think it would have made a lot more 
sense to just make it a device and then have it not use a netdev backend or any 
other kind of backend split.

For instance:

qemu -device vhost-net-pci,tapfd=X

I know this breaks the model of separate backends and frontends but since 
vhost-net absolutely requires a tap fd, I think it's better in the long run to 
not abuse the netdev backend to prevent user confusion.  Having a dedicated 
backend type that only has one possible option and can only be used by one 
device is a bit silly too.

So I would be in favor of dropping/squashing 3/5 and radically simplifying how 
this was exposed to the user.

I would just take qemu_vhost_scsi_opts and make them device properties.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

>

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-09-11 13:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-09-07  6:48 [PATCH 0/5] vhost-scsi: Add support for host virtualized target Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-09-07  6:48 ` [Qemu-devel] " Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-09-07  6:48 ` [PATCH 1/5] monitor: Rename+move net_handle_fd_param -> monitor_handle_fd_param Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-09-07  6:48 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-09-07  6:48   ` [Qemu-devel] " Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-09-07  6:48 ` [PATCH 2/5] vhost: Pass device path to vhost_dev_init() Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-09-07  6:48 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-09-07  6:48   ` [Qemu-devel] " Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-09-07  6:48 ` [PATCH 3/5] vhost-scsi: add -vhost-scsi host device for use with tcm-vhost Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-09-07  6:48 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-09-07  6:48   ` [Qemu-devel] " Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-09-07  6:48 ` [PATCH 4/5] virtio-scsi: Add start/stop functionality for vhost-scsi Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-09-07  6:48 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-09-07  6:48   ` [Qemu-devel] " Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-09-07 16:00   ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-09-07 16:00     ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2012-09-07 19:23     ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-09-07 19:23       ` [Qemu-devel] " Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-09-07 20:30       ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-09-07 20:30       ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-09-07 20:30         ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2012-09-08 22:40     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-09-08 22:40       ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-09-10  6:16       ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-09-10  6:16         ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2012-09-10  6:24         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-09-10  6:24           ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-09-10  6:42           ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-09-10  6:42           ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-09-10  6:42             ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2012-09-10  6:49             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-09-10  6:49               ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-09-11 13:46           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-11 13:46           ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2012-09-11 13:46             ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2012-09-11 15:07             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-09-11 15:07               ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-09-13 22:27               ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-09-13 22:27                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-09-14  6:45                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-09-14  6:45                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2012-09-14 12:34                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-09-14 12:34                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-09-13 22:27               ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-09-14 12:50             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-09-14 12:50               ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-09-07  6:48 ` [PATCH 5/5] virtio-scsi: Set max_target=0 during vhost-scsi operation Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-09-07  6:48 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-09-07  6:48   ` [Qemu-devel] " Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-09-11  4:36 ` [PATCH 0/5] vhost-scsi: Add support for host virtualized target Asias He
2012-09-11  4:36   ` [Qemu-devel] " Asias He
2012-09-13 20:12   ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-09-13 20:12     ` [Qemu-devel] " Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-09-14  8:21     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-09-14  8:21       ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2012-09-13 20:12   ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2013-01-17 16:43 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-01-17 16:43 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-01-17 16:43   ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-01-17 21:07   ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2013-01-17 21:07     ` [Qemu-devel] " Nicholas A. Bellinger
2013-01-21  8:50     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-01-21  8:50       ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-01-28 13:01       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-01-28 13:11         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-01-28 13:29           ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-01-28 13:36             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-01-28 13:33               ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-01-28 13:39                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-01-29 19:19                   ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2013-01-29 19:19                   ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2013-01-29 21:03                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-01-29 22:38                       ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2013-01-29 22:38                       ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2013-01-29 21:03                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-01-21 13:28     ` Anthony Liguori
2013-01-17 21:07   ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2013-04-02  3:28 ` [Qemu-devel] " Wenchao Xia
2013-04-02  3:28 ` Wenchao Xia
2013-04-02  3:28   ` Wenchao Xia
2013-04-02  5:07   ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2013-04-02  5:07   ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2013-04-02  5:07     ` Nicholas A. Bellinger

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