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From: Sylwester Nawrocki <sylvester.nawrocki@gmail.com>
To: Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@xs4all.nl>
Cc: "Sakari Ailus" <sakari.ailus@iki.fi>,
	"Laurent Pinchart" <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>,
	"Rémi Denis-Courmont" <remi@remlab.net>,
	linux-media@vger.kernel.org,
	"Hans Verkuil" <hans.verkuil@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: [RFCv3 API PATCH 15/31] v4l2-core: Add new V4L2_CAP_MONOTONIC_TS capability.
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 22:16:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5054E218.4010807@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201209151435.41800.hverkuil@xs4all.nl>

On 09/15/2012 02:35 PM, Hans Verkuil wrote:
>>>> If we switch all existing drivers to monotonic timestamps in kernel release
>>>> 3.x, v4l2-compliance can just use the version it gets from VIDIOC_QUERYCAP and
>>>> enforce monotonic timestamps verification if the version is>= 3.x. This isn't
>>>> more difficult for apps to check than a dedicated flag (although it's less
>>>> explicit).
>>>
>>> I think that checking for the driver (kernel) version is a very poor substitute
>>> for testing against a proper flag.
>>
>> That flag should be the default in this case. The flag should be set by
>> the framework instead giving every driver the job of setting it.
>>
>>> One alternative might be to use a v4l2_buffer flag instead. That does have the
>>> advantage that in the future we can add additional flags should we need to
>>> support different clocks. Should we ever add support to switch clocks dynamically,
>>> then a buffer flag is more suitable than a driver capability. In that scenario
>>> it does make real sense to have a flag (or really mask).
>>>
>>> Say something like this:
>>>
>>> /* Clock Mask */
>>> V4L2_BUF_FLAG_CLOCK_MASK	0xf000
>>> /* Possible Clocks */
>>> V4L2_BUF_FLAG_CLOCK_SYSTEM	0x0000
> 
> I realized that this should be called:
> 
> V4L2_BUF_FLAG_CLOCK_UNKNOWN	0x0000
> 
> With a comment saying that is clock is either the system clock or a monotonic
> clock. That reflects the current situation correctly.
> 
>>> V4L2_BUF_FLAG_CLOCK_MONOTONIC	0x1000

There is already lots of overhead related to the buffers management, could 
we perhaps have the most common option defined in a way that drivers don't 
need to update each buffer's flags before dequeuing, only to indicate the
timestamp type (other than flags being modified in videobuf) ?

This buffer flags idea sounds to me worse than the capability flag. After 
all the drivers should use monotonic clock timestamps, shouldn't they ?

Have anyone has ever come with a use case for switching timestamps clock 
type, can anyone give an example of it ? How likely is we will ever need 
that ? 

:)

--

Regards,
Sylwester

  reply	other threads:[~2012-09-15 20:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-09-14 10:57 [RFCv3 API PATCH 00/31] Full series of API fixes from the 2012 Media Workshop Hans Verkuil
2012-09-14 10:57 ` [RFCv3 API PATCH 01/31] v4l: Remove experimental tag from certain API elements Hans Verkuil
2012-09-14 10:57   ` [RFCv3 API PATCH 02/31] videodev2.h: split off controls into v4l2-controls.h Hans Verkuil
2012-09-14 10:57   ` [RFCv3 API PATCH 03/31] DocBook: improve STREAMON/OFF documentation Hans Verkuil
2012-09-14 10:57   ` [RFCv3 API PATCH 04/31] DocBook: make the G/S/TRY_FMT specification more strict Hans Verkuil
2012-09-14 10:57   ` [RFCv3 API PATCH 05/31] DocBook: bus_info can no longer be empty Hans Verkuil
2012-09-14 10:57   ` [RFCv3 API PATCH 06/31] vivi/mem2mem_testdev: update to latest bus_info specification Hans Verkuil
2012-09-14 17:34     ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-09-14 10:57   ` [RFCv3 API PATCH 07/31] v4l2-core: deprecate V4L2_BUF_TYPE_PRIVATE Hans Verkuil
2012-09-14 10:57   ` [RFCv3 API PATCH 08/31] DocBook: " Hans Verkuil
2012-09-14 10:57   ` [RFCv3 API PATCH 09/31] v4l2: remove experimental tag from a number of old drivers Hans Verkuil
2012-09-14 10:57   ` [RFCv3 API PATCH 10/31] DocBook: document when to return ENODATA Hans Verkuil
2012-09-14 10:57   ` [RFCv3 API PATCH 11/31] v4l2-core: tvnorms may be 0 for a given input, handle that case Hans Verkuil
2012-09-14 10:57   ` [RFCv3 API PATCH 12/31] Rename V4L2_(IN|OUT)_CAP_CUSTOM_TIMINGS Hans Verkuil
2012-09-14 10:57   ` [RFCv3 API PATCH 13/31] Feature removal: Remove CUSTOM_TIMINGS defines in 3.9 Hans Verkuil
2012-09-14 10:57   ` [RFCv3 API PATCH 14/31] DocBook: fix awkward language and fix the documented return value Hans Verkuil
2012-09-14 10:57   ` [RFCv3 API PATCH 15/31] v4l2-core: Add new V4L2_CAP_MONOTONIC_TS capability Hans Verkuil
2012-09-14 20:25     ` Sakari Ailus
2012-09-14 20:27       ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2012-09-14 21:05         ` Sakari Ailus
2012-09-15  7:41           ` Hans Verkuil
2012-09-15  9:31             ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-09-15 10:05               ` Hans Verkuil
2012-09-15 10:37                 ` Sakari Ailus
2012-09-15 12:35                   ` Hans Verkuil
2012-09-15 20:16                     ` Sylwester Nawrocki [this message]
2012-09-16 13:57                       ` Hans Verkuil
2012-09-16 15:33                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-09-16 21:59                           ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-09-17  7:13                             ` Daniel Glöckner
2012-09-17  9:18                             ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-09-17  9:28                               ` Hans Verkuil
2012-09-17  9:30                               ` Daniel Glöckner
2012-09-17 17:19                             ` Sakari Ailus
2012-09-17 20:27                               ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-09-18  7:42                                 ` Sakari Ailus
2012-09-15 10:26               ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-09-14 10:57   ` [RFCv3 API PATCH 16/31] Add V4L2_CAP_MONOTONIC_TS where applicable Hans Verkuil
2012-09-14 10:57   ` [RFCv3 API PATCH 17/31] DocBook: clarify that sequence is also set for output devices Hans Verkuil
2012-09-14 10:57   ` [RFCv3 API PATCH 18/31] DocBook: Mark CROPCAP as optional instead of as compulsory Hans Verkuil
2012-09-14 10:57   ` [RFCv3 API PATCH 19/31] v4l2: make vidioc_s_fbuf const Hans Verkuil
2012-09-14 10:57   ` [RFCv3 API PATCH 20/31] v4l2: make vidioc_s_jpegcomp const Hans Verkuil
2012-09-14 10:57   ` [RFCv3 API PATCH 21/31] v4l2: make vidioc_s_freq_hw_seek const Hans Verkuil
2012-09-14 10:57   ` [RFCv3 API PATCH 22/31] v4l2: make vidioc_(un)subscribe_event const Hans Verkuil
2012-09-14 10:57   ` [RFCv3 API PATCH 23/31] v4l2: make vidioc_s_audio const Hans Verkuil
2012-09-14 10:57   ` [RFCv3 API PATCH 24/31] v4l2: make vidioc_s_audout const Hans Verkuil
2012-09-14 10:57   ` [RFCv3 API PATCH 25/31] v4l2: make vidioc_s_modulator const Hans Verkuil
2012-09-14 10:57   ` [RFCv3 API PATCH 26/31] v4l2: make vidioc_s_crop const Hans Verkuil
2012-09-14 10:57   ` [RFCv3 API PATCH 27/31] v4l2-dev: add new VFL_DIR_ defines Hans Verkuil
2012-09-14 10:57   ` [RFCv3 API PATCH 28/31] Set vfl_dir for all display or m2m drivers Hans Verkuil
2012-09-14 17:34     ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-09-14 10:57   ` [RFCv3 API PATCH 29/31] v4l2-dev: improve ioctl validity checks Hans Verkuil
2012-09-14 10:57   ` [RFCv3 API PATCH 30/31] v4l2-dev: reorder checks into blocks of ioctls with similar properties Hans Verkuil
2012-09-14 10:57   ` [RFCv3 API PATCH 31/31] Add vfl_dir field documentation Hans Verkuil
2012-09-14 17:34     ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-09-14 17:59       ` Hans Verkuil
2012-09-14 21:26 ` [RFCv3 API PATCH 00/31] Full series of API fixes from the 2012 Media Workshop Sakari Ailus
2012-09-15  7:33   ` Hans Verkuil

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