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From: David Vrabel <david.vrabel@citrix.com>
To: Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>
Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	xen-devel@lists.xensource.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	lenb@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] Is: axe read_tscp pvops call. Was: Re: [RFC] ACPI S3 and Xen (suprisingly small\!).
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 17:31:40 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <50802EEC.6060102@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20121017165452.GA22740@phenom.dumpdata.com>

On 17/10/12 17:54, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 09:50:11AM -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
>> On 10/17/2012 09:10 AM, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote:
>>> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 09:03:12AM -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
>>>> On 10/17/2012 06:49 AM, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Note: These are the other patches that went in 3.7-rc1:
>>>>> xen/bootup: allow {read|write}_cr8 pvops call [https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/10/339]
>>>>> xen/bootup: allow read_tscp call for Xen PV guests. [https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/10/340]
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So WTF do we have a read_tscp PV call?  Again, if there isn't a user
>>>> we should just axe it...
>>>
>>> Let me spin off a patch to see if that can be done.
>>>
>>
>> Could you do an audit for other pvops calls that have no users?  If
>> the *only* user is lguest, we should talk about it, too...
> 
> I can do that - but I don't want to be hasty here. There is a bit of
> danger here - for example the read_pmc (or read_tsc) is not in use right
> now. But it might be when one starts looking at making perf be able to
> analyze the hypervisor (hand-waving the implementation details). So while
> removing read_pmc now sounds good, it might be needed in the future.

I don't see any reason why would ever need a PV-specific implementation
of either read_pmc or read_tsc.  And I certainly agree with hpa that
leaving them around 'just in case' isn't useful.

As for 'perf', since Xen already provides a virtual PMU for HVM guests
It's not clear why we would spend the effort to implement another
mechanism for PV guests (instead of using the virtual PMU from a PVH guest).

David

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From: David Vrabel <david.vrabel@citrix.com>
To: Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>
Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>,
	<x86@kernel.org>, <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <lenb@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] Is: axe read_tscp pvops call. Was: Re: [RFC] ACPI S3 and Xen (suprisingly small\!).
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 17:31:40 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <50802EEC.6060102@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20121017165452.GA22740@phenom.dumpdata.com>

On 17/10/12 17:54, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 09:50:11AM -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
>> On 10/17/2012 09:10 AM, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote:
>>> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 09:03:12AM -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
>>>> On 10/17/2012 06:49 AM, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Note: These are the other patches that went in 3.7-rc1:
>>>>> xen/bootup: allow {read|write}_cr8 pvops call [https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/10/339]
>>>>> xen/bootup: allow read_tscp call for Xen PV guests. [https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/10/340]
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So WTF do we have a read_tscp PV call?  Again, if there isn't a user
>>>> we should just axe it...
>>>
>>> Let me spin off a patch to see if that can be done.
>>>
>>
>> Could you do an audit for other pvops calls that have no users?  If
>> the *only* user is lguest, we should talk about it, too...
> 
> I can do that - but I don't want to be hasty here. There is a bit of
> danger here - for example the read_pmc (or read_tsc) is not in use right
> now. But it might be when one starts looking at making perf be able to
> analyze the hypervisor (hand-waving the implementation details). So while
> removing read_pmc now sounds good, it might be needed in the future.

I don't see any reason why would ever need a PV-specific implementation
of either read_pmc or read_tsc.  And I certainly agree with hpa that
leaving them around 'just in case' isn't useful.

As for 'perf', since Xen already provides a virtual PMU for HVM guests
It's not clear why we would spend the effort to implement another
mechanism for PV guests (instead of using the virtual PMU from a PVH guest).

David

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-10-18 16:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-10-17 13:49 [RFC] ACPI S3 and Xen (suprisingly small\!) Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-10-17 13:49 ` [PATCH 1/4] x86/wakeup/sleep: Check whether the TSS GDT descriptor is empty before using it Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-10-18  0:03   ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-10-18 14:47     ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-10-18 15:01       ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-01-17 14:41     ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-10-17 13:49 ` [PATCH 2/4] xen/lowlevel: Implement pvop call for load_idt (sidt) Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-10-17 23:51   ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-10-18 14:45     ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-10-18 15:02       ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-01-17 14:36     ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-10-17 13:49 ` [PATCH 3/4] xen/lowlevel: Implement pvop call for store_gdt (gidt) Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-10-17 13:49 ` [PATCH 4/4] xen/acpi: Prep saved_context cr3 values Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-01-17 14:48   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-10-17 16:03 ` [RFC] ACPI S3 and Xen (suprisingly small\!) H. Peter Anvin
2012-10-17 16:10   ` Is: axe read_tscp pvops call. Was: " Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-10-17 16:39     ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-10-17 16:54       ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-10-17 16:50     ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-10-17 16:54       ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-10-17 17:35         ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-10-18 15:22           ` [Xen-devel] " Dan Magenheimer
2012-10-18 15:28             ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-10-18 15:56               ` Dan Magenheimer
2012-10-18 16:17                 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-10-18 16:44                   ` Stefano Stabellini
2012-10-18 17:04                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-10-18 16:37                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-10-19 15:48                   ` Is: Xen architecture document. Was: " Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-10-19 17:45                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-10-18 16:31         ` David Vrabel [this message]
2012-10-18 16:31           ` David Vrabel
2012-10-18 17:42           ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-10-18 18:02             ` David Vrabel
2012-10-17 17:46 ` Ben Guthro
2012-10-17 17:43   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-10-17 18:00     ` Ben Guthro
2012-10-19 18:49       ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-10-20  1:23         ` Ben Guthro

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