* [Xenomai] Installing Xenomai Newbie @ 2012-10-16 15:15 Sebastián Pavez 2012-10-17 1:11 ` Gilles Chanteperdrix 2012-10-17 8:45 ` ali hagigat 0 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Sebastián Pavez @ 2012-10-16 15:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: xenomai Hi, My name is Sebastian and I'm a chilean student from PUCV. Currently I have to develop a RT proyect, but the problem is that I dont have experience with Linux and a lot less with Xenomai. Nevertheless i arrived to install xenomai 2.6.0 on Ubuntu 12.04, but when I try to execute ubuntu with the xenomai kernel the screen goes black and the computer doesn't respond, so I have to execute it with the recuperation mode. In this case I'm able to execute the test for the kernel and latency wich are ok, but the system seems unstable (the cursor sometimes disappear for instance), and I couldnt execute Xenomai, I receive a message of "premission denied". So, I'll appreciate if someone could give me a hand with the starting problem and the execution too. I was considering to do all the process again from the scratch but i don't know how to erase all the changes I have made in my computer. Thanks for your time, and for your help. PS: I utilise this configuration http://www.blaess.fr/christophe/files/article-2012-05-02/config-linux-2.6.38.8-xenomai according to this tutorial http://www.blaess.fr/christophe/2011/12/28/xenomai-2-6-0-sur-ubuntu-11-10/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [Xenomai] Installing Xenomai Newbie 2012-10-16 15:15 [Xenomai] Installing Xenomai Newbie Sebastián Pavez @ 2012-10-17 1:11 ` Gilles Chanteperdrix 2012-10-18 0:40 ` Sebastián Pavez 2012-10-17 8:45 ` ali hagigat 1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Gilles Chanteperdrix @ 2012-10-17 1:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Sebastián Pavez; +Cc: xenomai On 10/16/2012 05:15 PM, Sebastián Pavez wrote: > Hi, > > My name is Sebastian and I'm a chilean student from PUCV. Currently I > have to develop a RT proyect, but the problem is that I dont have > experience with Linux and a lot less with Xenomai. Nevertheless i > arrived to install xenomai 2.6.0 on Ubuntu 12.04, but when I try to > execute ubuntu with the xenomai kernel the screen goes black Please remove "quiet" from Linux command line, and make sure that you have all the drivers necessary for the your system to boot, including: - video display driver - root file system device driver - root file system driver -- Gilles. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [Xenomai] Installing Xenomai Newbie 2012-10-17 1:11 ` Gilles Chanteperdrix @ 2012-10-18 0:40 ` Sebastián Pavez 2012-10-18 4:28 ` Gilles Chanteperdrix 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Sebastián Pavez @ 2012-10-18 0:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Gilles Chanteperdrix; +Cc: xenomai El 16-10-2012 22:11, Gilles Chanteperdrix escribió: > On 10/16/2012 05:15 PM, Sebastián Pavez wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> My name is Sebastian and I'm a chilean student from PUCV. Currently I >> have to develop a RT proyect, but the problem is that I dont have >> experience with Linux and a lot less with Xenomai. Nevertheless i >> arrived to install xenomai 2.6.0 on Ubuntu 12.04, but when I try to >> execute ubuntu with the xenomai kernel the screen goes black > > Please remove "quiet" from Linux command line, and make sure that you > have all the drivers necessary for the your system to boot, including: > - video display driver > - root file system device driver > - root file system driver > Hi, I tried to everything from scratch, but i get the same problem. I tried remove the quiet splash and I could see the line "Fallback graphics default" well, this is when I execute the kernel with xenomai in recovery mode. Because when I tried it in a normal way I get the blacl screen with a twinkle, in this case I'm able to put my password and I heard the entry sound (with some distorsion), so like you said it maybe some driver's problem. In the recovery mode I checked the application drivers and nothing. Maybe it's something simple but I'm quite stuck, I've never used linux before and I really need to get this operative, so if you or someone else could help me ... in plain language would be awesome ... Thanks in advance PS: In the recovery mode I tried the xenomai tests, I attached the captures ... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Screenshot at 2012-10-17 20_46_28.png Type: image/png Size: 149983 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://www.xenomai.org/pipermail/xenomai/attachments/20121017/1ce6e79e/attachment.png> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Screenshot at 2012-10-17 20_54_53.png Type: image/png Size: 154646 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://www.xenomai.org/pipermail/xenomai/attachments/20121017/1ce6e79e/attachment-0001.png> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Screenshot at 2012-10-17 20_55_41.png Type: image/png Size: 133258 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://www.xenomai.org/pipermail/xenomai/attachments/20121017/1ce6e79e/attachment-0002.png> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [Xenomai] Installing Xenomai Newbie 2012-10-18 0:40 ` Sebastián Pavez @ 2012-10-18 4:28 ` Gilles Chanteperdrix 2012-10-19 0:24 ` Sebastián Pavez 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Gilles Chanteperdrix @ 2012-10-18 4:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Sebastián Pavez; +Cc: xenomai On 10/18/2012 02:40 AM, Sebastián Pavez wrote: > El 16-10-2012 22:11, Gilles Chanteperdrix escribió: >> On 10/16/2012 05:15 PM, Sebastián Pavez wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> My name is Sebastian and I'm a chilean student from PUCV. Currently I >>> have to develop a RT proyect, but the problem is that I dont have >>> experience with Linux and a lot less with Xenomai. Nevertheless i >>> arrived to install xenomai 2.6.0 on Ubuntu 12.04, but when I try to >>> execute ubuntu with the xenomai kernel the screen goes black >> >> Please remove "quiet" from Linux command line, and make sure that you >> have all the drivers necessary for the your system to boot, including: >> - video display driver >> - root file system device driver >> - root file system driver >> > Hi, > > I tried to everything from scratch, but i get the same problem. I tried > remove the quiet splash and I could see the line > "Fallback graphics default" well, this is when I execute the kernel with > xenomai in recovery mode. Because when I tried it in > a normal way I get the blacl screen with a twinkle, in this case I'm > able to put my password and I heard the entry sound (with some > distorsion), so like you said it maybe some driver's problem. > In the recovery mode I checked the application drivers and nothing. > Maybe it's something simple but I'm quite stuck, I've never used linux > before and I really need to get this operative, so if you or someone > else could help me ... in plain language would be awesome ... > Thanks in advance > > PS: In the recovery mode I tried the xenomai tests, I attached the > captures ... Your problem is configuring the kernel. So, please start with the Ubuntu kernel configuration, and simply disable the problematic options described here: http://www.xenomai.org/index.php/Configuring_x86_kernels If you do not know how to configure and compile a kernel, I suggest you read some documentation on the web, such as: http://kernelnewbies.org/KernelBuild -- Gilles. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [Xenomai] Installing Xenomai Newbie 2012-10-18 4:28 ` Gilles Chanteperdrix @ 2012-10-19 0:24 ` Sebastián Pavez 2012-10-19 4:35 ` Gilles Chanteperdrix 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Sebastián Pavez @ 2012-10-19 0:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Gilles Chanteperdrix; +Cc: xenomai El 18-10-2012 1:28, Gilles Chanteperdrix escribió: > On 10/18/2012 02:40 AM, Sebastián Pavez wrote: > >> El 16-10-2012 22:11, Gilles Chanteperdrix escribió: >>> On 10/16/2012 05:15 PM, Sebastián Pavez wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> My name is Sebastian and I'm a chilean student from PUCV. Currently I >>>> have to develop a RT proyect, but the problem is that I dont have >>>> experience with Linux and a lot less with Xenomai. Nevertheless i >>>> arrived to install xenomai 2.6.0 on Ubuntu 12.04, but when I try to >>>> execute ubuntu with the xenomai kernel the screen goes black >>> Please remove "quiet" from Linux command line, and make sure that you >>> have all the drivers necessary for the your system to boot, including: >>> - video display driver >>> - root file system device driver >>> - root file system driver >>> >> Hi, >> >> I tried to everything from scratch, but i get the same problem. I tried >> remove the quiet splash and I could see the line >> "Fallback graphics default" well, this is when I execute the kernel with >> xenomai in recovery mode. Because when I tried it in >> a normal way I get the blacl screen with a twinkle, in this case I'm >> able to put my password and I heard the entry sound (with some >> distorsion), so like you said it maybe some driver's problem. >> In the recovery mode I checked the application drivers and nothing. >> Maybe it's something simple but I'm quite stuck, I've never used linux >> before and I really need to get this operative, so if you or someone >> else could help me ... in plain language would be awesome ... >> Thanks in advance >> >> PS: In the recovery mode I tried the xenomai tests, I attached the >> captures ... > > Your problem is configuring the kernel. So, please start with the Ubuntu > kernel configuration, and simply disable the problematic options > described here: > http://www.xenomai.org/index.php/Configuring_x86_kernels > > If you do not know how to configure and compile a kernel, I suggest you > read some documentation on the web, such as: > http://kernelnewbies.org/KernelBuild > Thanks Gilles for your answers and time. I tried one more time from scratch. I used Xenomai 2.6.0 and the kernel Linux 2.6.38.8. The only changes I made in the configuration are the suggested in the page you send me (_CPU_FREQ, _APM, _ACPI_PROCESSOR _INTEL_IDLE, _PCI_MSI), I also disable _CC_STACKPROTECTOR and in the Preemption Model i choose "Preemptible Kernel (Low-Latency Desktop)". I have a i3 processor so I choose the Core 2/newer Xeon's Processor family. I got the same result (black screen with the sistem apparently working behind like I said), I realise that I didn't follow the recomendations mentioned in this page http://kernelnewbies.org/KernelBuild, because I tried to follow this tutorial http://www.blaess.fr/christophe/2011/12/28/xenomai-2-6-0-sur-ubuntu-11-10/ . So tomorrow I will try to do this on my own with newer versions of the kernel and probably with xenomai 2.6.1. Before that I would like to know if the configuration parameters I choose are ok, I don't know how to get a list of all of the parameters to put it here but the only changes I made are the ones listed above. I have doubts with Preemptible Kernel option because it wasn't listed on the page, so I really don't know what is the cause. If it's not a configuration issue, could be other causes to my problem?? ... I hope not, because at least it's delimited. Thank you very much for your help and please don't give up with me :) Best Regards. <http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.38.8.tar.bz2> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [Xenomai] Installing Xenomai Newbie 2012-10-19 0:24 ` Sebastián Pavez @ 2012-10-19 4:35 ` Gilles Chanteperdrix 2012-10-19 13:54 ` Sebastian Pavez 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Gilles Chanteperdrix @ 2012-10-19 4:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Sebastián Pavez; +Cc: xenomai On 10/19/2012 02:24 AM, Sebastián Pavez wrote: > El 18-10-2012 1:28, Gilles Chanteperdrix escribió: >> On 10/18/2012 02:40 AM, Sebastián Pavez wrote: >> >>> El 16-10-2012 22:11, Gilles Chanteperdrix escribió: >>>> On 10/16/2012 05:15 PM, Sebastián Pavez wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> My name is Sebastian and I'm a chilean student from PUCV. Currently I >>>>> have to develop a RT proyect, but the problem is that I dont have >>>>> experience with Linux and a lot less with Xenomai. Nevertheless i >>>>> arrived to install xenomai 2.6.0 on Ubuntu 12.04, but when I try to >>>>> execute ubuntu with the xenomai kernel the screen goes black >>>> Please remove "quiet" from Linux command line, and make sure that you >>>> have all the drivers necessary for the your system to boot, including: >>>> - video display driver >>>> - root file system device driver >>>> - root file system driver >>>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I tried to everything from scratch, but i get the same problem. I tried >>> remove the quiet splash and I could see the line >>> "Fallback graphics default" well, this is when I execute the kernel with >>> xenomai in recovery mode. Because when I tried it in >>> a normal way I get the blacl screen with a twinkle, in this case I'm >>> able to put my password and I heard the entry sound (with some >>> distorsion), so like you said it maybe some driver's problem. >>> In the recovery mode I checked the application drivers and nothing. >>> Maybe it's something simple but I'm quite stuck, I've never used linux >>> before and I really need to get this operative, so if you or someone >>> else could help me ... in plain language would be awesome ... >>> Thanks in advance >>> >>> PS: In the recovery mode I tried the xenomai tests, I attached the >>> captures ... >> >> Your problem is configuring the kernel. So, please start with the Ubuntu >> kernel configuration, and simply disable the problematic options >> described here: >> http://www.xenomai.org/index.php/Configuring_x86_kernels >> >> If you do not know how to configure and compile a kernel, I suggest you >> read some documentation on the web, such as: >> http://kernelnewbies.org/KernelBuild >> > Thanks Gilles for your answers and time. > > I tried one more time from scratch. I used Xenomai 2.6.0 and the kernel > Linux 2.6.38.8. > The only changes I made in the configuration are the suggested in the > page you send me (_CPU_FREQ, _APM, _ACPI_PROCESSOR _INTEL_IDLE, > _PCI_MSI), I also disable _CC_STACKPROTECTOR and in the Preemption Model > i choose "Preemptible Kernel (Low-Latency Desktop)". I have a i3 > processor so I choose the Core 2/newer Xeon's Processor family. You forgot to disable KGDB. > > I got the same result (black screen with the sistem apparently working > behind like I said), I realise that I didn't follow the recomendations > mentioned in this page http://kernelnewbies.org/KernelBuild, because I > tried to follow this tutorial > http://www.blaess.fr/christophe/2011/12/28/xenomai-2-6-0-sur-ubuntu-11-10/ > . So tomorrow I will try to do this on my own with newer versions of the > kernel and probably with xenomai 2.6.1. > > Before that I would like to know if the configuration parameters I > choose are ok, I don't know how to get a list of all of the parameters > to put it here but the only changes I made are the ones listed above. I > have doubts with Preemptible Kernel option because it wasn't listed on > the page, so I really don't know what is the cause. If it's not a > configuration issue, could be other causes to my problem?? ... I hope > not, because at least it's delimited. Well, simply attach the .config file... -- Gilles. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [Xenomai] Installing Xenomai Newbie 2012-10-19 4:35 ` Gilles Chanteperdrix @ 2012-10-19 13:54 ` Sebastian Pavez 2012-10-19 14:01 ` Gilles Chanteperdrix 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Sebastian Pavez @ 2012-10-19 13:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Gilles Chanteperdrix; +Cc: xenomai 2012/10/19 Gilles Chanteperdrix <gilles.chanteperdrix@xenomai.org> > On 10/19/2012 02:24 AM, Sebastián Pavez wrote: > > > El 18-10-2012 1:28, Gilles Chanteperdrix escribió: > >> On 10/18/2012 02:40 AM, Sebastián Pavez wrote: > >> > >>> El 16-10-2012 22:11, Gilles Chanteperdrix escribió: > >>>> On 10/16/2012 05:15 PM, Sebastián Pavez wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hi, > >>>>> > >>>>> My name is Sebastian and I'm a chilean student from PUCV. Currently I > >>>>> have to develop a RT proyect, but the problem is that I dont have > >>>>> experience with Linux and a lot less with Xenomai. Nevertheless i > >>>>> arrived to install xenomai 2.6.0 on Ubuntu 12.04, but when I try to > >>>>> execute ubuntu with the xenomai kernel the screen goes black > >>>> Please remove "quiet" from Linux command line, and make sure that you > >>>> have all the drivers necessary for the your system to boot, including: > >>>> - video display driver > >>>> - root file system device driver > >>>> - root file system driver > >>>> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> I tried to everything from scratch, but i get the same problem. I tried > >>> remove the quiet splash and I could see the line > >>> "Fallback graphics default" well, this is when I execute the kernel > with > >>> xenomai in recovery mode. Because when I tried it in > >>> a normal way I get the blacl screen with a twinkle, in this case I'm > >>> able to put my password and I heard the entry sound (with some > >>> distorsion), so like you said it maybe some driver's problem. > >>> In the recovery mode I checked the application drivers and nothing. > >>> Maybe it's something simple but I'm quite stuck, I've never used linux > >>> before and I really need to get this operative, so if you or someone > >>> else could help me ... in plain language would be awesome ... > >>> Thanks in advance > >>> > >>> PS: In the recovery mode I tried the xenomai tests, I attached the > >>> captures ... > >> > >> Your problem is configuring the kernel. So, please start with the Ubuntu > >> kernel configuration, and simply disable the problematic options > >> described here: > >> http://www.xenomai.org/index.php/Configuring_x86_kernels > >> > >> If you do not know how to configure and compile a kernel, I suggest you > >> read some documentation on the web, such as: > >> http://kernelnewbies.org/KernelBuild > >> > > Thanks Gilles for your answers and time. > > > > I tried one more time from scratch. I used Xenomai 2.6.0 and the kernel > > Linux 2.6.38.8. > > The only changes I made in the configuration are the suggested in the > > page you send me (_CPU_FREQ, _APM, _ACPI_PROCESSOR _INTEL_IDLE, > > _PCI_MSI), I also disable _CC_STACKPROTECTOR and in the Preemption Model > > i choose "Preemptible Kernel (Low-Latency Desktop)". I have a i3 > > processor so I choose the Core 2/newer Xeon's Processor family. > > > You forgot to disable KGDB. > > > > > I got the same result (black screen with the sistem apparently working > > behind like I said), I realise that I didn't follow the recomendations > > mentioned in this page http://kernelnewbies.org/KernelBuild, because I > > tried to follow this tutorial > > > http://www.blaess.fr/christophe/2011/12/28/xenomai-2-6-0-sur-ubuntu-11-10/ > > . So tomorrow I will try to do this on my own with newer versions of the > > kernel and probably with xenomai 2.6.1. > > > > Before that I would like to know if the configuration parameters I > > choose are ok, I don't know how to get a list of all of the parameters > > to put it here but the only changes I made are the ones listed above. I > > have doubts with Preemptible Kernel option because it wasn't listed on > > the page, so I really don't know what is the cause. If it's not a > > configuration issue, could be other causes to my problem?? ... I hope > > not, because at least it's delimited. > > > Well, simply attach the .config file... > > -- > Gilles. > > Well, I did it again disabling the KGDB and the results are the same. I attach the .config file like you suggested. Thanks again -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: config-2.6.38.8-xenomai Type: application/octet-stream Size: 137566 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://www.xenomai.org/pipermail/xenomai/attachments/20121019/5eb6efe4/attachment.obj> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [Xenomai] Installing Xenomai Newbie 2012-10-19 13:54 ` Sebastian Pavez @ 2012-10-19 14:01 ` Gilles Chanteperdrix 2012-10-19 14:29 ` Sebastian Pavez 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Gilles Chanteperdrix @ 2012-10-19 14:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Sebastian Pavez; +Cc: xenomai On 10/19/2012 03:54 PM, Sebastian Pavez wrote: > 2012/10/19 Gilles Chanteperdrix <gilles.chanteperdrix@xenomai.org> > >> On 10/19/2012 02:24 AM, Sebastián Pavez wrote: >> >>> El 18-10-2012 1:28, Gilles Chanteperdrix escribió: >>>> On 10/18/2012 02:40 AM, Sebastián Pavez wrote: >>>> >>>>> El 16-10-2012 22:11, Gilles Chanteperdrix escribió: >>>>>> On 10/16/2012 05:15 PM, Sebastián Pavez wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My name is Sebastian and I'm a chilean student from PUCV. Currently I >>>>>>> have to develop a RT proyect, but the problem is that I dont have >>>>>>> experience with Linux and a lot less with Xenomai. Nevertheless i >>>>>>> arrived to install xenomai 2.6.0 on Ubuntu 12.04, but when I try to >>>>>>> execute ubuntu with the xenomai kernel the screen goes black >>>>>> Please remove "quiet" from Linux command line, and make sure that you >>>>>> have all the drivers necessary for the your system to boot, including: >>>>>> - video display driver >>>>>> - root file system device driver >>>>>> - root file system driver >>>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I tried to everything from scratch, but i get the same problem. I tried >>>>> remove the quiet splash and I could see the line >>>>> "Fallback graphics default" well, this is when I execute the kernel >> with >>>>> xenomai in recovery mode. Because when I tried it in >>>>> a normal way I get the blacl screen with a twinkle, in this case I'm >>>>> able to put my password and I heard the entry sound (with some >>>>> distorsion), so like you said it maybe some driver's problem. >>>>> In the recovery mode I checked the application drivers and nothing. >>>>> Maybe it's something simple but I'm quite stuck, I've never used linux >>>>> before and I really need to get this operative, so if you or someone >>>>> else could help me ... in plain language would be awesome ... >>>>> Thanks in advance >>>>> >>>>> PS: In the recovery mode I tried the xenomai tests, I attached the >>>>> captures ... >>>> >>>> Your problem is configuring the kernel. So, please start with the Ubuntu >>>> kernel configuration, and simply disable the problematic options >>>> described here: >>>> http://www.xenomai.org/index.php/Configuring_x86_kernels >>>> >>>> If you do not know how to configure and compile a kernel, I suggest you >>>> read some documentation on the web, such as: >>>> http://kernelnewbies.org/KernelBuild >>>> >>> Thanks Gilles for your answers and time. >>> >>> I tried one more time from scratch. I used Xenomai 2.6.0 and the kernel >>> Linux 2.6.38.8. >>> The only changes I made in the configuration are the suggested in the >>> page you send me (_CPU_FREQ, _APM, _ACPI_PROCESSOR _INTEL_IDLE, >>> _PCI_MSI), I also disable _CC_STACKPROTECTOR and in the Preemption Model >>> i choose "Preemptible Kernel (Low-Latency Desktop)". I have a i3 >>> processor so I choose the Core 2/newer Xeon's Processor family. >> >> >> You forgot to disable KGDB. >> >>> >>> I got the same result (black screen with the sistem apparently working >>> behind like I said), I realise that I didn't follow the recomendations >>> mentioned in this page http://kernelnewbies.org/KernelBuild, because I >>> tried to follow this tutorial >>> >> http://www.blaess.fr/christophe/2011/12/28/xenomai-2-6-0-sur-ubuntu-11-10/ >>> . So tomorrow I will try to do this on my own with newer versions of the >>> kernel and probably with xenomai 2.6.1. >>> >>> Before that I would like to know if the configuration parameters I >>> choose are ok, I don't know how to get a list of all of the parameters >>> to put it here but the only changes I made are the ones listed above. I >>> have doubts with Preemptible Kernel option because it wasn't listed on >>> the page, so I really don't know what is the cause. If it's not a >>> configuration issue, could be other causes to my problem?? ... I hope >>> not, because at least it's delimited. >> >> >> Well, simply attach the .config file... >> >> -- >> Gilles. >> >> > Well, I did it again disabling the KGDB and the results are the same. > I attach the .config file like you suggested. > Thanks again Does the same configuration work with CONFIG_XENOMAI and CONFIG_IPIPE disabled? -- Gilles. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [Xenomai] Installing Xenomai Newbie 2012-10-19 14:01 ` Gilles Chanteperdrix @ 2012-10-19 14:29 ` Sebastian Pavez 2012-10-19 14:55 ` Gilles Chanteperdrix 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Sebastian Pavez @ 2012-10-19 14:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Gilles Chanteperdrix; +Cc: xenomai 2012/10/19 Gilles Chanteperdrix <gilles.chanteperdrix@xenomai.org> > On 10/19/2012 03:54 PM, Sebastian Pavez wrote: > > 2012/10/19 Gilles Chanteperdrix <gilles.chanteperdrix@xenomai.org> > > > >> On 10/19/2012 02:24 AM, Sebastián Pavez wrote: > >> > >>> El 18-10-2012 1:28, Gilles Chanteperdrix escribió: > >>>> On 10/18/2012 02:40 AM, Sebastián Pavez wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> El 16-10-2012 22:11, Gilles Chanteperdrix escribió: > >>>>>> On 10/16/2012 05:15 PM, Sebastián Pavez wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hi, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> My name is Sebastian and I'm a chilean student from PUCV. > Currently I > >>>>>>> have to develop a RT proyect, but the problem is that I dont have > >>>>>>> experience with Linux and a lot less with Xenomai. Nevertheless i > >>>>>>> arrived to install xenomai 2.6.0 on Ubuntu 12.04, but when I try > to > >>>>>>> execute ubuntu with the xenomai kernel the screen goes black > >>>>>> Please remove "quiet" from Linux command line, and make sure that > you > >>>>>> have all the drivers necessary for the your system to boot, > including: > >>>>>> - video display driver > >>>>>> - root file system device driver > >>>>>> - root file system driver > >>>>>> > >>>>> Hi, > >>>>> > >>>>> I tried to everything from scratch, but i get the same problem. I > tried > >>>>> remove the quiet splash and I could see the line > >>>>> "Fallback graphics default" well, this is when I execute the kernel > >> with > >>>>> xenomai in recovery mode. Because when I tried it in > >>>>> a normal way I get the blacl screen with a twinkle, in this case I'm > >>>>> able to put my password and I heard the entry sound (with some > >>>>> distorsion), so like you said it maybe some driver's problem. > >>>>> In the recovery mode I checked the application drivers and nothing. > >>>>> Maybe it's something simple but I'm quite stuck, I've never used > linux > >>>>> before and I really need to get this operative, so if you or someone > >>>>> else could help me ... in plain language would be awesome ... > >>>>> Thanks in advance > >>>>> > >>>>> PS: In the recovery mode I tried the xenomai tests, I attached the > >>>>> captures ... > >>>> > >>>> Your problem is configuring the kernel. So, please start with the > Ubuntu > >>>> kernel configuration, and simply disable the problematic options > >>>> described here: > >>>> http://www.xenomai.org/index.php/Configuring_x86_kernels > >>>> > >>>> If you do not know how to configure and compile a kernel, I suggest > you > >>>> read some documentation on the web, such as: > >>>> http://kernelnewbies.org/KernelBuild > >>>> > >>> Thanks Gilles for your answers and time. > >>> > >>> I tried one more time from scratch. I used Xenomai 2.6.0 and the kernel > >>> Linux 2.6.38.8. > >>> The only changes I made in the configuration are the suggested in the > >>> page you send me (_CPU_FREQ, _APM, _ACPI_PROCESSOR _INTEL_IDLE, > >>> _PCI_MSI), I also disable _CC_STACKPROTECTOR and in the Preemption > Model > >>> i choose "Preemptible Kernel (Low-Latency Desktop)". I have a i3 > >>> processor so I choose the Core 2/newer Xeon's Processor family. > >> > >> > >> You forgot to disable KGDB. > >> > >>> > >>> I got the same result (black screen with the sistem apparently working > >>> behind like I said), I realise that I didn't follow the recomendations > >>> mentioned in this page http://kernelnewbies.org/KernelBuild, because I > >>> tried to follow this tutorial > >>> > >> > http://www.blaess.fr/christophe/2011/12/28/xenomai-2-6-0-sur-ubuntu-11-10/ > >>> . So tomorrow I will try to do this on my own with newer versions of > the > >>> kernel and probably with xenomai 2.6.1. > >>> > >>> Before that I would like to know if the configuration parameters I > >>> choose are ok, I don't know how to get a list of all of the parameters > >>> to put it here but the only changes I made are the ones listed above. I > >>> have doubts with Preemptible Kernel option because it wasn't listed on > >>> the page, so I really don't know what is the cause. If it's not a > >>> configuration issue, could be other causes to my problem?? ... I hope > >>> not, because at least it's delimited. > >> > >> > >> Well, simply attach the .config file... > >> > >> -- > >> Gilles. > >> > >> > > Well, I did it again disabling the KGDB and the results are the same. > > I attach the .config file like you suggested. > > Thanks again > > Does the same configuration work with CONFIG_XENOMAI and CONFIG_IPIPE > disabled? > > -- > Gilles. > Thank you for your quick answer. I disabled those options and I got an error. I attach the capture of that. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Screenshot at 2012-10-19 11:26:14.png Type: image/png Size: 504413 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://www.xenomai.org/pipermail/xenomai/attachments/20121019/6ea15c86/attachment.png> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [Xenomai] Installing Xenomai Newbie 2012-10-19 14:29 ` Sebastian Pavez @ 2012-10-19 14:55 ` Gilles Chanteperdrix 2012-10-19 17:23 ` Sebastian Pavez 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Gilles Chanteperdrix @ 2012-10-19 14:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Sebastian Pavez; +Cc: xenomai On 10/19/2012 04:29 PM, Sebastian Pavez wrote: > 2012/10/19 Gilles Chanteperdrix <gilles.chanteperdrix@xenomai.org> > >> On 10/19/2012 03:54 PM, Sebastian Pavez wrote: >>> 2012/10/19 Gilles Chanteperdrix <gilles.chanteperdrix@xenomai.org> >>> >>>> On 10/19/2012 02:24 AM, Sebastián Pavez wrote: >>>> >>>>> El 18-10-2012 1:28, Gilles Chanteperdrix escribió: >>>>>> On 10/18/2012 02:40 AM, Sebastián Pavez wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> El 16-10-2012 22:11, Gilles Chanteperdrix escribió: >>>>>>>> On 10/16/2012 05:15 PM, Sebastián Pavez wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My name is Sebastian and I'm a chilean student from PUCV. >> Currently I >>>>>>>>> have to develop a RT proyect, but the problem is that I dont have >>>>>>>>> experience with Linux and a lot less with Xenomai. Nevertheless i >>>>>>>>> arrived to install xenomai 2.6.0 on Ubuntu 12.04, but when I try >> to >>>>>>>>> execute ubuntu with the xenomai kernel the screen goes black >>>>>>>> Please remove "quiet" from Linux command line, and make sure that >> you >>>>>>>> have all the drivers necessary for the your system to boot, >> including: >>>>>>>> - video display driver >>>>>>>> - root file system device driver >>>>>>>> - root file system driver >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I tried to everything from scratch, but i get the same problem. I >> tried >>>>>>> remove the quiet splash and I could see the line >>>>>>> "Fallback graphics default" well, this is when I execute the kernel >>>> with >>>>>>> xenomai in recovery mode. Because when I tried it in >>>>>>> a normal way I get the blacl screen with a twinkle, in this case I'm >>>>>>> able to put my password and I heard the entry sound (with some >>>>>>> distorsion), so like you said it maybe some driver's problem. >>>>>>> In the recovery mode I checked the application drivers and nothing. >>>>>>> Maybe it's something simple but I'm quite stuck, I've never used >> linux >>>>>>> before and I really need to get this operative, so if you or someone >>>>>>> else could help me ... in plain language would be awesome ... >>>>>>> Thanks in advance >>>>>>> >>>>>>> PS: In the recovery mode I tried the xenomai tests, I attached the >>>>>>> captures ... >>>>>> >>>>>> Your problem is configuring the kernel. So, please start with the >> Ubuntu >>>>>> kernel configuration, and simply disable the problematic options >>>>>> described here: >>>>>> http://www.xenomai.org/index.php/Configuring_x86_kernels >>>>>> >>>>>> If you do not know how to configure and compile a kernel, I suggest >> you >>>>>> read some documentation on the web, such as: >>>>>> http://kernelnewbies.org/KernelBuild >>>>>> >>>>> Thanks Gilles for your answers and time. >>>>> >>>>> I tried one more time from scratch. I used Xenomai 2.6.0 and the kernel >>>>> Linux 2.6.38.8. >>>>> The only changes I made in the configuration are the suggested in the >>>>> page you send me (_CPU_FREQ, _APM, _ACPI_PROCESSOR _INTEL_IDLE, >>>>> _PCI_MSI), I also disable _CC_STACKPROTECTOR and in the Preemption >> Model >>>>> i choose "Preemptible Kernel (Low-Latency Desktop)". I have a i3 >>>>> processor so I choose the Core 2/newer Xeon's Processor family. >>>> >>>> >>>> You forgot to disable KGDB. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I got the same result (black screen with the sistem apparently working >>>>> behind like I said), I realise that I didn't follow the recomendations >>>>> mentioned in this page http://kernelnewbies.org/KernelBuild, because I >>>>> tried to follow this tutorial >>>>> >>>> >> http://www.blaess.fr/christophe/2011/12/28/xenomai-2-6-0-sur-ubuntu-11-10/ >>>>> . So tomorrow I will try to do this on my own with newer versions of >> the >>>>> kernel and probably with xenomai 2.6.1. >>>>> >>>>> Before that I would like to know if the configuration parameters I >>>>> choose are ok, I don't know how to get a list of all of the parameters >>>>> to put it here but the only changes I made are the ones listed above. I >>>>> have doubts with Preemptible Kernel option because it wasn't listed on >>>>> the page, so I really don't know what is the cause. If it's not a >>>>> configuration issue, could be other causes to my problem?? ... I hope >>>>> not, because at least it's delimited. >>>> >>>> >>>> Well, simply attach the .config file... >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Gilles. >>>> >>>> >>> Well, I did it again disabling the KGDB and the results are the same. >>> I attach the .config file like you suggested. >>> Thanks again >> >> Does the same configuration work with CONFIG_XENOMAI and CONFIG_IPIPE >> disabled? >> >> -- >> Gilles. >> > > Thank you for your quick answer. > I disabled those options and I got an error. I attach the capture of that. > Ok, try compiling the kernel without running prepare-kernel.sh, but still with the same configuration. -- Gilles. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [Xenomai] Installing Xenomai Newbie 2012-10-19 14:55 ` Gilles Chanteperdrix @ 2012-10-19 17:23 ` Sebastian Pavez 2012-10-19 17:26 ` Gilles Chanteperdrix 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Sebastian Pavez @ 2012-10-19 17:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Gilles Chanteperdrix; +Cc: xenomai 2012/10/19 Gilles Chanteperdrix <gilles.chanteperdrix@xenomai.org> > On 10/19/2012 04:29 PM, Sebastian Pavez wrote: > > 2012/10/19 Gilles Chanteperdrix <gilles.chanteperdrix@xenomai.org> > > > >> On 10/19/2012 03:54 PM, Sebastian Pavez wrote: > >>> 2012/10/19 Gilles Chanteperdrix <gilles.chanteperdrix@xenomai.org> > >>> > >>>> On 10/19/2012 02:24 AM, Sebastián Pavez wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> El 18-10-2012 1:28, Gilles Chanteperdrix escribió: > >>>>>> On 10/18/2012 02:40 AM, Sebastián Pavez wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> El 16-10-2012 22:11, Gilles Chanteperdrix escribió: > >>>>>>>> On 10/16/2012 05:15 PM, Sebastián Pavez wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hi, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> My name is Sebastian and I'm a chilean student from PUCV. > >> Currently I > >>>>>>>>> have to develop a RT proyect, but the problem is that I dont have > >>>>>>>>> experience with Linux and a lot less with Xenomai. Nevertheless i > >>>>>>>>> arrived to install xenomai 2.6.0 on Ubuntu 12.04, but when I try > >> to > >>>>>>>>> execute ubuntu with the xenomai kernel the screen goes black > >>>>>>>> Please remove "quiet" from Linux command line, and make sure that > >> you > >>>>>>>> have all the drivers necessary for the your system to boot, > >> including: > >>>>>>>> - video display driver > >>>>>>>> - root file system device driver > >>>>>>>> - root file system driver > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hi, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I tried to everything from scratch, but i get the same problem. I > >> tried > >>>>>>> remove the quiet splash and I could see the line > >>>>>>> "Fallback graphics default" well, this is when I execute the kernel > >>>> with > >>>>>>> xenomai in recovery mode. Because when I tried it in > >>>>>>> a normal way I get the blacl screen with a twinkle, in this case > I'm > >>>>>>> able to put my password and I heard the entry sound (with some > >>>>>>> distorsion), so like you said it maybe some driver's problem. > >>>>>>> In the recovery mode I checked the application drivers and nothing. > >>>>>>> Maybe it's something simple but I'm quite stuck, I've never used > >> linux > >>>>>>> before and I really need to get this operative, so if you or > someone > >>>>>>> else could help me ... in plain language would be awesome ... > >>>>>>> Thanks in advance > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> PS: In the recovery mode I tried the xenomai tests, I attached the > >>>>>>> captures ... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Your problem is configuring the kernel. So, please start with the > >> Ubuntu > >>>>>> kernel configuration, and simply disable the problematic options > >>>>>> described here: > >>>>>> http://www.xenomai.org/index.php/Configuring_x86_kernels > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If you do not know how to configure and compile a kernel, I suggest > >> you > >>>>>> read some documentation on the web, such as: > >>>>>> http://kernelnewbies.org/KernelBuild > >>>>>> > >>>>> Thanks Gilles for your answers and time. > >>>>> > >>>>> I tried one more time from scratch. I used Xenomai 2.6.0 and the > kernel > >>>>> Linux 2.6.38.8. > >>>>> The only changes I made in the configuration are the suggested in the > >>>>> page you send me (_CPU_FREQ, _APM, _ACPI_PROCESSOR _INTEL_IDLE, > >>>>> _PCI_MSI), I also disable _CC_STACKPROTECTOR and in the Preemption > >> Model > >>>>> i choose "Preemptible Kernel (Low-Latency Desktop)". I have a i3 > >>>>> processor so I choose the Core 2/newer Xeon's Processor family. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> You forgot to disable KGDB. > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I got the same result (black screen with the sistem apparently > working > >>>>> behind like I said), I realise that I didn't follow the > recomendations > >>>>> mentioned in this page http://kernelnewbies.org/KernelBuild, > because I > >>>>> tried to follow this tutorial > >>>>> > >>>> > >> > http://www.blaess.fr/christophe/2011/12/28/xenomai-2-6-0-sur-ubuntu-11-10/ > >>>>> . So tomorrow I will try to do this on my own with newer versions of > >> the > >>>>> kernel and probably with xenomai 2.6.1. > >>>>> > >>>>> Before that I would like to know if the configuration parameters I > >>>>> choose are ok, I don't know how to get a list of all of the > parameters > >>>>> to put it here but the only changes I made are the ones listed > above. I > >>>>> have doubts with Preemptible Kernel option because it wasn't listed > on > >>>>> the page, so I really don't know what is the cause. If it's not a > >>>>> configuration issue, could be other causes to my problem?? ... I hope > >>>>> not, because at least it's delimited. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Well, simply attach the .config file... > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> > Gilles. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> Well, I did it again disabling the KGDB and the results are the same. > >>> I attach the .config file like you suggested. > >>> Thanks again > >> > >> Does the same configuration work with CONFIG_XENOMAI and CONFIG_IPIPE > >> disabled? > >> > >> -- > >> Gilles. > >> > > > > Thank you for your quick answer. > > I disabled those options and I got an error. I attach the capture of > that. > > > > Ok, try compiling the kernel without running prepare-kernel.sh, but > still with the same configuration. > > -- > Gilles. > I did that, but after rebooting and selecting the kernel occurs the same thing than before ... :( ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [Xenomai] Installing Xenomai Newbie 2012-10-19 17:23 ` Sebastian Pavez @ 2012-10-19 17:26 ` Gilles Chanteperdrix 2012-10-19 17:29 ` Sebastian Pavez 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Gilles Chanteperdrix @ 2012-10-19 17:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Sebastian Pavez; +Cc: xenomai On 10/19/2012 07:23 PM, Sebastian Pavez wrote: > 2012/10/19 Gilles Chanteperdrix <gilles.chanteperdrix@xenomai.org> >> Ok, try compiling the kernel without running prepare-kernel.sh, but >> still with the same configuration. >> >> -- >> Gilles. >> > I did that, but after rebooting and selecting the kernel occurs the same > thing than before ... :( > So, the problem is not related to Xenomai, but a configuration issue of the Linux kernel for your particular hardware configuration. When you have find help for this issue at some other place, we can help you with Xenomai installation. -- Gilles. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [Xenomai] Installing Xenomai Newbie 2012-10-19 17:26 ` Gilles Chanteperdrix @ 2012-10-19 17:29 ` Sebastian Pavez 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Sebastian Pavez @ 2012-10-19 17:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Gilles Chanteperdrix; +Cc: xenomai 2012/10/19 Gilles Chanteperdrix <gilles.chanteperdrix@xenomai.org> > On 10/19/2012 07:23 PM, Sebastian Pavez wrote: > > 2012/10/19 Gilles Chanteperdrix <gilles.chanteperdrix@xenomai.org> > >> Ok, try compiling the kernel without running prepare-kernel.sh, but > >> still with the same configuration. > >> > >> -- > >> Gilles. > >> > > I did that, but after rebooting and selecting the kernel occurs the same > > thing than before ... :( > > > > So, the problem is not related to Xenomai, but a configuration issue of > the Linux kernel for your particular hardware configuration. When you > have find help for this issue at some other place, we can help you with > Xenomai installation. > > -- > Gilles. > Ok, thanks for your time. I'll do that and hopefully I'll come back with more questions related with working on xenomai and not about the installation. Best regards ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [Xenomai] Installing Xenomai Newbie 2012-10-16 15:15 [Xenomai] Installing Xenomai Newbie Sebastián Pavez 2012-10-17 1:11 ` Gilles Chanteperdrix @ 2012-10-17 8:45 ` ali hagigat 2012-10-17 8:59 ` Gilles Chanteperdrix 1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: ali hagigat @ 2012-10-17 8:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Sebastián Pavez, xenomai Xenomai 2.6.0 is installed on Fedora. For Ubuntu we had to use another older version of Xenomai On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Sebastián Pavez <sebastian.pavez.t@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > My name is Sebastian and I'm a chilean student from PUCV. Currently I have > to develop a RT proyect, but the problem is that I dont have experience with > Linux and a lot less with Xenomai. Nevertheless i arrived to install xenomai > 2.6.0 on Ubuntu 12.04, but when I try to execute ubuntu with the xenomai > kernel the screen goes black and the computer doesn't respond, so I have to > execute it with the recuperation mode. In this case I'm able to execute the > test for the kernel and latency wich are ok, but the system seems unstable > (the cursor sometimes disappear for instance), and I couldnt execute > Xenomai, I receive a message of "premission denied". > So, I'll appreciate if someone could give me a hand with the starting > problem and the execution too. I was considering to do all the process again > from the scratch but i don't know how to erase all the changes I have made > in my computer. > Thanks for your time, and for your help. > > PS: I utilise this configuration > http://www.blaess.fr/christophe/files/article-2012-05-02/config-linux-2.6.38.8-xenomai > according to this tutorial > http://www.blaess.fr/christophe/2011/12/28/xenomai-2-6-0-sur-ubuntu-11-10/ > > _______________________________________________ > Xenomai mailing list > Xenomai@xenomai.org > http://www.xenomai.org/mailman/listinfo/xenomai ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [Xenomai] Installing Xenomai Newbie 2012-10-17 8:45 ` ali hagigat @ 2012-10-17 8:59 ` Gilles Chanteperdrix 2012-10-17 10:11 ` ali hagigat 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Gilles Chanteperdrix @ 2012-10-17 8:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ali hagigat; +Cc: xenomai On 10/17/2012 10:45 AM, ali hagigat wrote: > Xenomai 2.6.0 is installed on Fedora. > > For Ubuntu we had to use another older version of Xenomai Xenomai is distribution agnostic, you should be able to run the latest version of Xenomai with any reasonably recent distribution. So, could you describe the particular problems you had running Xenomai on ubuntu? -- Gilles. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [Xenomai] Installing Xenomai Newbie 2012-10-17 8:59 ` Gilles Chanteperdrix @ 2012-10-17 10:11 ` ali hagigat 2012-10-17 10:16 ` Gilles Chanteperdrix 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: ali hagigat @ 2012-10-17 10:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Gilles Chanteperdrix, xenomai Dear Gilles, My friend could not install it on Ubuntu. The reason was the script which Xenomai, 2.6.0, is built with is run on Fedora correctly. On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Gilles Chanteperdrix <gilles.chanteperdrix@xenomai.org> wrote: > On 10/17/2012 10:45 AM, ali hagigat wrote: >> Xenomai 2.6.0 is installed on Fedora. >> >> For Ubuntu we had to use another older version of Xenomai > > Xenomai is distribution agnostic, you should be able to run the latest > version of Xenomai with any reasonably recent distribution. So, could > you describe the particular problems you had running Xenomai on ubuntu? > > -- > Gilles. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [Xenomai] Installing Xenomai Newbie 2012-10-17 10:11 ` ali hagigat @ 2012-10-17 10:16 ` Gilles Chanteperdrix 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Gilles Chanteperdrix @ 2012-10-17 10:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ali hagigat; +Cc: xenomai On 10/17/2012 12:11 PM, ali hagigat wrote: > Dear Gilles, > > My friend could not install it on Ubuntu. The reason was the script > which Xenomai, 2.6.0, is built with is run on Fedora correctly. Please post some concrete error messages, that we can help people debug. And you will see that we can install xenomai 2.6.1 on Ubuntu. -- Gilles. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
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