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From: Tomi Valkeinen <tomi.valkeinen@ti.com>
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCHv9 1/3] Runtime Interpreted Power Sequences
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:48:45 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <50AC956D.7020303@ti.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1699753.ZQsWMHINxd@percival>

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On 2012-11-21 10:32, Alex Courbot wrote:

>> Ok. I'll need to dig up the conversation
> 
> IIRC it was somewhere around here:
> 
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/9/7/662
> 
> See the parent messages too.

Thanks.

>> Did you consider any examples
>> of how some driver could handle the error cases?
> 
> For all the (limited) use cases I considered, playing the power-off sequence 
> when power-on fails just works. If power-off also fails you are potentially in 
> more trouble though. Maybe we could have another "run" function that does not 
> stop on errors for handling such cases where you want to "stop everything you 
> can".

If the power-off sequence disables a regulator that was supposed to be
enabled by the power-on sequence (but wasn't enabled because of an
error), the regulator_disable is still called when the driver runs the
power-off sequence, isn't it? Regulator enables and disables are ref
counted, and the enables should match the disables.

> Failures might be better handled if sequences have some "recovery policy" 
> about what to do when they fail, as mentioned in the link above. As you 
> pointed out, the driver might not always know enough about the resources 
> involved to do the right thing.

Yes, I think such recovery policy would be needed.

 Tomi



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From: Tomi Valkeinen <tomi.valkeinen-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
To: Alex Courbot <acourbot-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Anton Vorontsov
	<cbouatmailru-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Stephen Warren <swarren-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Thierry Reding
	<thierry.reding-RM9K5IK7kjKj5M59NBduVrNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>,
	Mark Zhang <markz-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Grant Likely
	<grant.likely-s3s/WqlpOiPyB63q8FvJNQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Rob Herring <rob.herring-bsGFqQB8/DxBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Mark Brown
	<broonie-yzvPICuk2AATkU/dhu1WVueM+bqZidxxQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-tegra-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-tegra-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-fbdev-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-fbdev-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"devicetree-discuss-uLR06cmDAlY/bJ5BZ2RsiQ@public.gmane.org"
	<devicetree-discuss-uLR06cmDAlY/bJ5BZ2RsiQ@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-pm-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-pm-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Alexandre Courbot
	<gnurou-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCHv9 1/3] Runtime Interpreted Power Sequences
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 10:48:45 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <50AC956D.7020303@ti.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1699753.ZQsWMHINxd@percival>

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On 2012-11-21 10:32, Alex Courbot wrote:

>> Ok. I'll need to dig up the conversation
> 
> IIRC it was somewhere around here:
> 
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/9/7/662
> 
> See the parent messages too.

Thanks.

>> Did you consider any examples
>> of how some driver could handle the error cases?
> 
> For all the (limited) use cases I considered, playing the power-off sequence 
> when power-on fails just works. If power-off also fails you are potentially in 
> more trouble though. Maybe we could have another "run" function that does not 
> stop on errors for handling such cases where you want to "stop everything you 
> can".

If the power-off sequence disables a regulator that was supposed to be
enabled by the power-on sequence (but wasn't enabled because of an
error), the regulator_disable is still called when the driver runs the
power-off sequence, isn't it? Regulator enables and disables are ref
counted, and the enables should match the disables.

> Failures might be better handled if sequences have some "recovery policy" 
> about what to do when they fail, as mentioned in the link above. As you 
> pointed out, the driver might not always know enough about the resources 
> involved to do the right thing.

Yes, I think such recovery policy would be needed.

 Tomi



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From: tomi.valkeinen@ti.com (Tomi Valkeinen)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCHv9 1/3] Runtime Interpreted Power Sequences
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 10:48:45 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <50AC956D.7020303@ti.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1699753.ZQsWMHINxd@percival>

On 2012-11-21 10:32, Alex Courbot wrote:

>> Ok. I'll need to dig up the conversation
> 
> IIRC it was somewhere around here:
> 
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/9/7/662
> 
> See the parent messages too.

Thanks.

>> Did you consider any examples
>> of how some driver could handle the error cases?
> 
> For all the (limited) use cases I considered, playing the power-off sequence 
> when power-on fails just works. If power-off also fails you are potentially in 
> more trouble though. Maybe we could have another "run" function that does not 
> stop on errors for handling such cases where you want to "stop everything you 
> can".

If the power-off sequence disables a regulator that was supposed to be
enabled by the power-on sequence (but wasn't enabled because of an
error), the regulator_disable is still called when the driver runs the
power-off sequence, isn't it? Regulator enables and disables are ref
counted, and the enables should match the disables.

> Failures might be better handled if sequences have some "recovery policy" 
> about what to do when they fail, as mentioned in the link above. As you 
> pointed out, the driver might not always know enough about the resources 
> involved to do the right thing.

Yes, I think such recovery policy would be needed.

 Tomi


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From: Tomi Valkeinen <tomi.valkeinen@ti.com>
To: Alex Courbot <acourbot@nvidia.com>
Cc: Anton Vorontsov <cbouatmailru@gmail.com>,
	Stephen Warren <swarren@nvidia.com>,
	Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@avionic-design.de>,
	Mark Zhang <markz@nvidia.com>,
	Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>,
	Rob Herring <rob.herring@calxeda.com>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org" <linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org" 
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	"devicetree-discuss@lists.ozlabs.org" 
	<devicetree-discuss@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	"linux-pm@vger.kernel.org" <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Alexandre Courbot <gnurou@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCHv9 1/3] Runtime Interpreted Power Sequences
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 10:48:45 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <50AC956D.7020303@ti.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1699753.ZQsWMHINxd@percival>

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On 2012-11-21 10:32, Alex Courbot wrote:

>> Ok. I'll need to dig up the conversation
> 
> IIRC it was somewhere around here:
> 
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/9/7/662
> 
> See the parent messages too.

Thanks.

>> Did you consider any examples
>> of how some driver could handle the error cases?
> 
> For all the (limited) use cases I considered, playing the power-off sequence 
> when power-on fails just works. If power-off also fails you are potentially in 
> more trouble though. Maybe we could have another "run" function that does not 
> stop on errors for handling such cases where you want to "stop everything you 
> can".

If the power-off sequence disables a regulator that was supposed to be
enabled by the power-on sequence (but wasn't enabled because of an
error), the regulator_disable is still called when the driver runs the
power-off sequence, isn't it? Regulator enables and disables are ref
counted, and the enables should match the disables.

> Failures might be better handled if sequences have some "recovery policy" 
> about what to do when they fail, as mentioned in the link above. As you 
> pointed out, the driver might not always know enough about the resources 
> involved to do the right thing.

Yes, I think such recovery policy would be needed.

 Tomi



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  reply	other threads:[~2012-11-21  8:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 158+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-11-17 10:55 [PATCHv9 0/3] Runtime Interpreted Power Sequences Alexandre Courbot
2012-11-17 10:55 ` Alexandre Courbot
2012-11-17 10:55 ` Alexandre Courbot
2012-11-17 10:55 ` [PATCHv9 1/3] " Alexandre Courbot
2012-11-17 10:55   ` Alexandre Courbot
2012-11-17 10:55   ` Alexandre Courbot
2012-11-17 10:55   ` Alexandre Courbot
2012-11-17 11:38   ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-11-17 11:38     ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-11-17 11:38     ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-11-19  2:29     ` Alex Courbot
2012-11-19  2:29       ` Alex Courbot
2012-11-19  2:29       ` Alex Courbot
2012-11-19  2:29       ` Alex Courbot
2012-11-19  2:32       ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-11-19  2:32         ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-11-19  2:32         ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-11-20 14:48   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-11-20 14:48     ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-11-20 14:48     ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-11-20 14:48     ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-11-21  1:56     ` Alex Courbot
2012-11-21  1:56       ` Alex Courbot
2012-11-21  1:56       ` Alex Courbot
2012-11-21  1:56       ` Alex Courbot
2012-11-21  8:13       ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-11-21  8:13         ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-11-21  8:13         ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-11-21  8:13         ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-11-21  8:32         ` Alex Courbot
2012-11-21  8:32           ` Alex Courbot
2012-11-21  8:32           ` Alex Courbot
2012-11-21  8:32           ` Alex Courbot
2012-11-21  8:48           ` Tomi Valkeinen [this message]
2012-11-21  8:48             ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-11-21  8:48             ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-11-21  8:48             ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-11-21 10:00             ` Alex Courbot
2012-11-21 10:00               ` Alex Courbot
2012-11-21 10:00               ` Alex Courbot
2012-11-22 13:01               ` Grant Likely
2012-11-22 13:01                 ` Grant Likely
2012-11-22 13:01                 ` Grant Likely
2012-11-22 13:01                 ` Grant Likely
2012-11-20 21:54   ` Grant Likely
2012-11-20 21:54     ` Grant Likely
2012-11-20 21:54     ` Grant Likely
2012-11-20 21:54     ` Grant Likely
2012-11-21  1:31     ` Mark Brown
2012-11-21  1:31       ` Mark Brown
2012-11-21  1:31       ` Mark Brown
2012-11-21 16:44       ` Grant Likely
2012-11-21 16:44         ` Grant Likely
2012-11-21 16:44         ` Grant Likely
2012-11-22  8:57       ` Linus Walleij
2012-11-22  8:57         ` Linus Walleij
2012-11-22  8:57         ` Linus Walleij
2012-11-22  8:57         ` Linus Walleij
2012-11-22  9:55         ` Alexandre Courbot
2012-11-22  9:55           ` Alexandre Courbot
2012-11-22  9:55           ` Alexandre Courbot
2012-11-22  9:55           ` Alexandre Courbot
2012-11-23  1:44         ` Mark Brown
2012-11-23  1:44           ` Mark Brown
2012-11-23  1:44           ` Mark Brown
2012-11-21  4:23     ` Alex Courbot
2012-11-21  4:23       ` Alex Courbot
2012-11-21  4:23       ` Alex Courbot
2012-11-21 11:06       ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-11-21 11:06         ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-11-21 11:06         ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-11-21 11:06         ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-11-21 11:40         ` Thierry Reding
2012-11-21 11:40           ` Thierry Reding
2012-11-21 11:40           ` Thierry Reding
2012-11-21 11:40           ` Thierry Reding
2012-11-21 12:04           ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-11-21 12:04             ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-11-21 12:04             ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-11-21 13:00             ` Thierry Reding
2012-11-21 13:00               ` Thierry Reding
2012-11-21 13:00               ` Thierry Reding
2012-11-21 13:32               ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-11-21 13:32                 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-11-21 13:32                 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-11-21 13:32                 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-11-21 15:02                 ` Alexandre Courbot
2012-11-21 15:02                   ` Alexandre Courbot
2012-11-21 15:02                   ` Alexandre Courbot
2012-11-21 15:02                   ` Alexandre Courbot
2012-11-21 15:12                   ` Thierry Reding
2012-11-21 15:12                     ` Thierry Reding
2012-11-21 15:12                     ` Thierry Reding
2012-11-22  2:01                     ` Alexandre Courbot
2012-11-22  2:01                       ` Alexandre Courbot
2012-11-22  2:01                       ` Alexandre Courbot
2012-11-22  2:01                       ` Alexandre Courbot
2012-11-22  2:06                       ` Mark Brown
2012-11-22  2:06                         ` Mark Brown
2012-11-22  2:06                         ` Mark Brown
2012-11-22  2:06                         ` Mark Brown
2012-11-22  3:09                         ` Alexandre Courbot
2012-11-22  3:09                           ` Alexandre Courbot
2012-11-22  3:09                           ` Alexandre Courbot
2012-11-22  3:09                           ` Alexandre Courbot
2012-11-22 13:39                     ` Grant Likely
2012-11-22 13:39                       ` Grant Likely
2012-11-22 13:39                       ` Grant Likely
2012-11-22 13:39                       ` Grant Likely
2012-11-27 15:19               ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-11-27 15:19                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-11-27 15:19                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-11-27 15:08             ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-11-27 15:08               ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-11-27 15:08               ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-11-27 15:08               ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-11-27 15:08               ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-11-27 15:19               ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-11-27 15:19                 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-11-27 15:19                 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-11-27 15:19                 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-11-27 15:37                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-11-27 15:37                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-11-27 15:37                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-11-27 16:46                   ` Mark Brown
2012-11-27 16:46                     ` Mark Brown
2012-11-27 16:46                     ` Mark Brown
2012-11-27 14:47           ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-11-27 14:47             ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-11-27 14:47             ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-11-27 14:47             ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-11-22 13:39       ` Grant Likely
2012-11-22 13:39         ` Grant Likely
2012-11-22 13:39         ` Grant Likely
2012-11-22 13:39         ` Grant Likely
2012-11-22 21:40         ` Thierry Reding
2012-11-22 21:40           ` Thierry Reding
2012-11-22 21:40           ` Thierry Reding
2012-11-22 21:40           ` Thierry Reding
2012-11-26 11:49           ` Alex Courbot
2012-11-26 11:49             ` Alex Courbot
2012-11-26 11:49             ` Alex Courbot
2012-11-26 11:49             ` Alex Courbot
2012-11-26 15:34           ` Grant Likely
2012-11-26 15:34             ` Grant Likely
2012-11-26 15:34             ` Grant Likely
2012-11-26 15:34             ` Grant Likely
2012-11-17 10:55 ` [PATCHv9 2/3] pwm_backlight: use power sequences Alexandre Courbot
2012-11-17 10:55   ` Alexandre Courbot
2012-11-17 10:55   ` Alexandre Courbot
2012-11-17 10:55   ` Alexandre Courbot
2012-11-17 10:55 ` [PATCHv9 3/3] Take maintainership of " Alexandre Courbot
2012-11-17 10:55   ` Alexandre Courbot
2012-11-17 10:55   ` Alexandre Courbot
2012-11-20 21:58 ` [PATCHv9 0/3] Runtime Interpreted Power Sequences Grant Likely
2012-11-20 21:58   ` Grant Likely
2012-11-20 21:58   ` Grant Likely
2012-11-20 21:58   ` Grant Likely

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