* [dm-crypt] Fwd: saout.de mailing list memberships reminder [not found] <mailman.140.1351742424.23588.mailman@saout.de> @ 2012-12-20 15:55 ` Markus Krainz 2012-12-20 16:05 ` [dm-crypt] [Off topic] " Alasdair G Kergon 2012-12-20 17:03 ` [dm-crypt] " Marc MERLIN 0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Markus Krainz @ 2012-12-20 15:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: dm-crypt [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1281 bytes --] Hi, I think the forwarded message speeks for itself :) -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: saout.de mailing list memberships reminder Datum: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 05:00:24 +0100 Von: mailman-owner@saout.de An: ldm@gmx.at This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your saout.de mailing list memberships. It includes your subscription info and how to use it to change it or unsubscribe from a list. You can visit the URLs to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. In addition to the URL interfaces, you can also use email to make such changes. For more info, send a message to the '-request' address of the list (for example, mailman-request@saout.de) containing just the word 'help' in the message body, and an email message will be sent to you with instructions. If you have questions, problems, comments, etc, send them to mailman-owner@saout.de. Thanks! Passwords for ldm@gmx.at: List Password // URL ---- -------- dm-crypt@saout.de wefailinkeepingpasswordssafe http://www.saout.de/mailman/options/dm-crypt/ldm%40gmx.at [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 2768 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* [dm-crypt] [Off topic] Re: Fwd: saout.de mailing list memberships reminder 2012-12-20 15:55 ` [dm-crypt] Fwd: saout.de mailing list memberships reminder Markus Krainz @ 2012-12-20 16:05 ` Alasdair G Kergon 2012-12-20 17:08 ` Markus Krainz 2012-12-20 17:03 ` [dm-crypt] " Marc MERLIN 1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Alasdair G Kergon @ 2012-12-20 16:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Markus Krainz; +Cc: dm-crypt On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 04:55:09PM +0100, Markus Krainz wrote: > I think the forwarded message speeks for itself :) And your point is? It's a compromise that seems to work pretty well for all sorts of reasons amply debated elsewhere. Similarly, the mailing list manager doesn't require every message to be GPG signed yet the lists don't fill with forged email. Alasdair ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [dm-crypt] [Off topic] Re: Fwd: saout.de mailing list memberships reminder 2012-12-20 16:05 ` [dm-crypt] [Off topic] " Alasdair G Kergon @ 2012-12-20 17:08 ` Markus Krainz 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Markus Krainz @ 2012-12-20 17:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Alasdair G Kergon; +Cc: dm-crypt Am 20.12.2012 17:05, schrieb Alasdair G Kergon: > On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 04:55:09PM +0100, Markus Krainz wrote: >> I think the forwarded message speeks for itself :) > And your point is? > > It's a compromise that seems to work pretty well for all sorts of reasons amply > debated elsewhere. > > Similarly, the mailing list manager doesn't require every message to be GPG > signed yet the lists don't fill with forged email. > > Alasdair It just seems odd that I get about 10 of those from various lists every month. Why would you even store your users passwords in clear text an email it periodicly? This just seems like an idiotic idea. You're right, this is probably not the place to discuss this. Do you have a link to where this is debated? Best, Markus > _______________________________________________ > dm-crypt mailing list > dm-crypt@saout.de > http://www.saout.de/mailman/listinfo/dm-crypt > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [dm-crypt] Fwd: saout.de mailing list memberships reminder 2012-12-20 15:55 ` [dm-crypt] Fwd: saout.de mailing list memberships reminder Markus Krainz 2012-12-20 16:05 ` [dm-crypt] [Off topic] " Alasdair G Kergon @ 2012-12-20 17:03 ` Marc MERLIN 2012-12-20 17:25 ` Markus Krainz 1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Marc MERLIN @ 2012-12-20 17:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Markus Krainz; +Cc: dm-crypt On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 04:55:09PM +0100, Markus Krainz wrote: > Hi, > > I think the forwarded message speeks for itself :) I used to be mailman admin for sourceforge, a few million folks just like you. I got so tired of answering mails like this one that I wrote an FAQ :) http://marc.merlins.org/netrants/mailman-password.txt Note, if you disagree, you are welcome to change your password further or unsubscribe. Marc -- "A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" - A.S.R. Microsoft is to operating systems .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [dm-crypt] Fwd: saout.de mailing list memberships reminder 2012-12-20 17:03 ` [dm-crypt] " Marc MERLIN @ 2012-12-20 17:25 ` Markus Krainz 2012-12-25 1:14 ` Karol Babioch 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Markus Krainz @ 2012-12-20 17:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Marc MERLIN; +Cc: dm-crypt Am 20.12.2012 18:03, schrieb Marc MERLIN: > On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 04:55:09PM +0100, Markus Krainz wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I think the forwarded message speeks for itself :) > I used to be mailman admin for sourceforge, a few million folks just like > you. > I got so tired of answering mails like this one that I wrote an FAQ :) > > http://marc.merlins.org/netrants/mailman-password.txt > > Note, if you disagree, you are welcome to change your password further or > unsubscribe. > > Marc That's a nice FAQ. However most points are moot imho. The users that don't read instructions are the most vulnerable for this kind of practice because they tend to use same passwords every time and you'd rather not send their passwords if in doubt they read instructions. In any case I don't care too much from someone changing the subscription settings but it violates trust that users are used to when they put in a password. Maybe you do it for legal reasons but there's nothing about in the faq. So again it just seems odd. However you are of course free to do what you want with the lists and it seems it has been discussed extensively alrady. Best, Markus ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [dm-crypt] Fwd: saout.de mailing list memberships reminder 2012-12-20 17:25 ` Markus Krainz @ 2012-12-25 1:14 ` Karol Babioch 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Karol Babioch @ 2012-12-25 1:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: dm-crypt [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 672 bytes --] Hi, Am 20.12.2012 18:25, schrieb Markus Krainz: > because they tend to use same passwords every time and you'd rather not > send their passwords if in doubt they read instructions There is probably a lot of truth here, only a minority (presumably most subscribers to this list) is using an individual password for each service. Are there any cases known, where this was a problem? One could argue that you are screwed anyway when someone got access to your mail account, but on the other hand there is always the possibility of eavesdropping (MITM, and so forth) when sending sensitive information like this unencrypted. Best regards, Karol Babioch [-- Attachment #2: OpenPGP digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 899 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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