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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: Matthew Garrett
	<matthew.garrett-05XSO3Yj/JvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: "Lee,
	Chun-Yi" <joeyli.kernel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	"matt.fleming-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org"
	<matt.fleming-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-efi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-efi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Lee, Chun-Yi" <jlee-IBi9RG/b67k@public.gmane.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Jan Beulich <JBeulich-IBi9RG/b67k@public.gmane.org>,
	Len Brown <lenb-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] rtc-efi: register rtc-efi device when EFI enabled
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 12:40:56 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <50DE03D8.9030902@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E99CBA9F97C3D149AA6B19ED2E277C9B019215FA-kSjp6dTd0Hr1oIOzUjSfqB1/qY2kGW66nBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>

On 12/28/2012 11:17 AM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-12-28 at 11:07 -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
>> We do have such machines, which is why this change has been reverted twice already.  I believe we should stick to the priority scheme I proposed a few weeks ago.
>
> I seem to have missed that discussion, and couldn't find it after a
> brief search. Got a pointer?
>

Looks like it was a non-public distribution ... anyway, what I wrote was:

> I suspect that what we *should* do looks like:
>
> 1. If ACPI exports a Time and Alarm Device (ACPI000E) the use it;
> 2. If ACPI exports an PC/AT device (PNP0B00/1/2) then use it(*);
> 3. If we have an EFI RTC use it;
> 4. Probe for a PC/AT RTC device.
>
> I'm unsure what the ordering of 1 & 2 should be.  The ACPI device has
> the advantage that it contains time zone information, which is important
> for Windows interoperability, and at least optionally supports
> millisecond resolution; there is no way to even export "this is where
> you find time zone information" (since we're dealing with an RTC with
> embedded CMOS, there is storage available, it is just a matter of
> telling the OS how to find it) for the PNP0B0x devices.
>
> The TAD is also guaranteed to map 1:1 to the EFI RTC.
>
> 	-hpa


-- 
H. Peter Anvin, Intel Open Source Technology Center
I work for Intel.  I don't speak on their behalf.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Matthew Garrett <matthew.garrett@nebula.com>
Cc: "Lee, Chun-Yi" <joeyli.kernel@gmail.com>,
	"matt.fleming@intel.com" <matt.fleming@intel.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-efi@vger.kernel.org" <linux-efi@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Lee, Chun-Yi" <jlee@suse.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>,
	Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] rtc-efi: register rtc-efi device when EFI enabled
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 12:40:56 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <50DE03D8.9030902@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E99CBA9F97C3D149AA6B19ED2E277C9B019215FA@BY2PRD0510MB365.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

On 12/28/2012 11:17 AM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-12-28 at 11:07 -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
>> We do have such machines, which is why this change has been reverted twice already.  I believe we should stick to the priority scheme I proposed a few weeks ago.
>
> I seem to have missed that discussion, and couldn't find it after a
> brief search. Got a pointer?
>

Looks like it was a non-public distribution ... anyway, what I wrote was:

> I suspect that what we *should* do looks like:
>
> 1. If ACPI exports a Time and Alarm Device (ACPI000E) the use it;
> 2. If ACPI exports an PC/AT device (PNP0B00/1/2) then use it(*);
> 3. If we have an EFI RTC use it;
> 4. Probe for a PC/AT RTC device.
>
> I'm unsure what the ordering of 1 & 2 should be.  The ACPI device has
> the advantage that it contains time zone information, which is important
> for Windows interoperability, and at least optionally supports
> millisecond resolution; there is no way to even export "this is where
> you find time zone information" (since we're dealing with an RTC with
> embedded CMOS, there is storage available, it is just a matter of
> telling the OS how to find it) for the PNP0B0x devices.
>
> The TAD is also guaranteed to map 1:1 to the EFI RTC.
>
> 	-hpa


-- 
H. Peter Anvin, Intel Open Source Technology Center
I work for Intel.  I don't speak on their behalf.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-12-28 20:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-12-28 16:26 [PATCH 1/3] rtc-efi: register rtc-efi device when EFI enabled Lee, Chun-Yi
2012-12-28 16:26 ` Lee, Chun-Yi
     [not found] ` <1356712001-12198-1-git-send-email-jlee-IBi9RG/b67k@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-28 16:26   ` [PATCH 2/3] rtc-efi: add timezone to rtc_time that will used by rtc-efi Lee, Chun-Yi
2012-12-28 16:26     ` Lee, Chun-Yi
2012-12-28 16:26   ` [PATCH 3/3] rtc-efi: set uie_unsupported for indicate rtc-efi doesn't support UIE mode Lee, Chun-Yi
2012-12-28 16:26     ` Lee, Chun-Yi
2012-12-28 17:43 ` [PATCH 1/3] rtc-efi: register rtc-efi device when EFI enabled Matthew Garrett
2012-12-28 17:43   ` Matthew Garrett
     [not found]   ` <E99CBA9F97C3D149AA6B19ED2E277C9B019215CC-kSjp6dTd0Hr1oIOzUjSfqB1/qY2kGW66nBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-28 19:07     ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-12-28 19:07       ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-12-28 19:17       ` Matthew Garrett
2012-12-28 19:17         ` Matthew Garrett
     [not found]         ` <E99CBA9F97C3D149AA6B19ED2E277C9B019215FA-kSjp6dTd0Hr1oIOzUjSfqB1/qY2kGW66nBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-28 20:40           ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2012-12-28 20:40             ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]             ` <50DE03D8.9030902-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-28 20:49               ` Matthew Garrett
2012-12-28 20:49                 ` Matthew Garrett
     [not found]                 ` <35da3df5-ecac-4b57-83a2-828326e5bfc3@email.android.com>
     [not found]                   ` <35da3df5-ecac-4b57-83a2-828326e5bfc3-2ueSQiBKiTY7tOexoI0I+QC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-28 23:39                     ` Matthew Garrett
2012-12-28 23:39                       ` Matthew Garrett
2012-12-29  0:42                       ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                         ` <50DE3C8F.4000405-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-29  4:37                           ` Matthew Garrett
2012-12-29  4:37                             ` Matthew Garrett
     [not found]                             ` <E99CBA9F97C3D149AA6B19ED2E277C9B01921744-kSjp6dTd0Hr1oIOzUjSfqB1/qY2kGW66nBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-29  5:19                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-12-29  5:19                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                                 ` <ed3971f1-8464-4406-bae2-eff914c9c2fc-2ueSQiBKiTY7tOexoI0I+QC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-29  6:17                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2012-12-29  6:17                                     ` Matthew Garrett
     [not found]                 ` <E99CBA9F97C3D149AA6B19ED2E277C9B01921638-kSjp6dTd0Hr1oIOzUjSfqB1/qY2kGW66nBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-28 23:44                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-12-28 23:44                     ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                     ` <50DE2EED.9030608-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-01-02  2:45                       ` joeyli
2013-01-02  2:45                         ` joeyli
     [not found]                         ` <1357094751.6113.253.camel-ONCj+Eqt86TasUa73XJKwA@public.gmane.org>
2013-01-02  7:26                           ` Matt Fleming
2013-01-02  7:26                             ` Matt Fleming
2012-12-29  1:00   ` joeyli
     [not found]     ` <1356742803.6113.245.camel-ONCj+Eqt86TasUa73XJKwA@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-29  1:07       ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-12-29  1:07         ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]         ` <50DE4259.7090409-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-01-09  6:23           ` joeyli
2013-01-09  6:23             ` joeyli
     [not found]             ` <1357712591.6113.389.camel-ONCj+Eqt86TasUa73XJKwA@public.gmane.org>
2013-01-09  6:27               ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-01-09  6:27                 ` H. Peter Anvin

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