From: florian.vaussard@epfl.ch (Florian Vaussard)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v2 1/3] pwm: Add pwm_cansleep() as exported API to users
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 16:46:38 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <51069D5E.7030108@epfl.ch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130128150113.GL23505@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>
Hello,
Le 28/01/2013 16:01, Russell King - ARM Linux a ?crit :
> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:36:07AM +0100, Florian Vaussard wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Le 28/01/2013 09:45, Peter Ujfalusi a ?crit :
>>> hi Thierry,
>>>
>>> On 01/26/2013 06:40 AM, Thierry Reding wrote:
>>>>> +{
>>>>> + return pwm->chip->can_sleep;
>>>>> +}
>>>>> +EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(pwm_cansleep);
>>>>
>>>> Would it make sense to check for NULL pointers here? I guess that
>>>> passing NULL into the function could be considered a programming error
>>>> and an oops would be okay, but in that case there's no point in making
>>>> the function return an int. Also see my next comment.
>>>
>>> While it is unlikely to happen it is better to be safe, something like this
>>> will do:
>>>
>>> return pwm ? pwm->chip->can_sleep : 0;
>>>
>>
>> Ok. And what about:
>>
>> BUG_ON(pwm == NULL);
>> return pwm->chip->can_sleep;
>
> Let's get something straight.
>
> 1. Don't use BUG_ON() as some kind of willy nilly assert() replacement.
> Linus refused to have assert() in the kernel because assert() gets not
> only over-used, but also gets inappropriately used too.
>
> _Only_ _ever_ use BUG_ON() if continuing is going to cause user
> noticable data loss which is not reportable to userspace. In other
> words, block device queue corruption or the like - where bringing the
> system down is going to _save_ the system from itself.
>
> Otherwise, return an error and/or use WARN_ON().
>
> 2. If you want a slow kernel, then by all means check your arguments to
> your functions. While you're at it, why not check that strings which
> are passed contain only the characters you expect them to? And, if
> you're bothering to check against a NULL pointer, what about NULL+1
> pointers which are also invalid? Why not invent some function to
> ensure that the pointer is a valid kernel pointer. Maybe you'll have
> to interate the vmalloc lists too - yay, more code to be executed!
> That must be good!
>
> In your example, if you're going to check that pwm is non-NULL, what
> if pwm->chip is non-NULL? How far do you take this?
>
> Or... just like most of the core kernel does, it does _not_ verify on
> function entry that the pointer is "correct" unless it is explicitly
> defined that the function may take a NULL pointer (like kfree()).
> Everything else just goes right on and does the dereference - and if
> the pointer was wrong, we hope that the MMU faults and we get a kernel
> oops.
>
> Have a read through the code in fs/ or kernel/ and see how many functions
> you can spot in there which validate their pointers which aren't dealing
> with data from userland.
>
> You'll find almost no function checking that an inode pointer is not NULL.
> Or a struct file pointer. Or a struct path pointer... etc.
>
> Yet, you come to ARM code, and it seems "popular" that pointer arguments
> need to be verified on every single function call. Why is this?
>
> I don't know if Andrew would like to inject something here (I've added
> him) on this subject...
>
The v3 does not contain the check.
Thank you,
Florian
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From: Florian Vaussard <florian.vaussard@epfl.ch>
To: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Peter Ujfalusi <peter.ujfalusi@ti.com>,
Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@avionic-design.de>,
Bryan Wu <cooloney@gmail.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Richard Purdie <rpurdie@rpsys.net>,
linux-leds@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/3] pwm: Add pwm_cansleep() as exported API to users
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 16:46:38 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <51069D5E.7030108@epfl.ch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130128150113.GL23505@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>
Hello,
Le 28/01/2013 16:01, Russell King - ARM Linux a écrit :
> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:36:07AM +0100, Florian Vaussard wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Le 28/01/2013 09:45, Peter Ujfalusi a écrit :
>>> hi Thierry,
>>>
>>> On 01/26/2013 06:40 AM, Thierry Reding wrote:
>>>>> +{
>>>>> + return pwm->chip->can_sleep;
>>>>> +}
>>>>> +EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(pwm_cansleep);
>>>>
>>>> Would it make sense to check for NULL pointers here? I guess that
>>>> passing NULL into the function could be considered a programming error
>>>> and an oops would be okay, but in that case there's no point in making
>>>> the function return an int. Also see my next comment.
>>>
>>> While it is unlikely to happen it is better to be safe, something like this
>>> will do:
>>>
>>> return pwm ? pwm->chip->can_sleep : 0;
>>>
>>
>> Ok. And what about:
>>
>> BUG_ON(pwm == NULL);
>> return pwm->chip->can_sleep;
>
> Let's get something straight.
>
> 1. Don't use BUG_ON() as some kind of willy nilly assert() replacement.
> Linus refused to have assert() in the kernel because assert() gets not
> only over-used, but also gets inappropriately used too.
>
> _Only_ _ever_ use BUG_ON() if continuing is going to cause user
> noticable data loss which is not reportable to userspace. In other
> words, block device queue corruption or the like - where bringing the
> system down is going to _save_ the system from itself.
>
> Otherwise, return an error and/or use WARN_ON().
>
> 2. If you want a slow kernel, then by all means check your arguments to
> your functions. While you're at it, why not check that strings which
> are passed contain only the characters you expect them to? And, if
> you're bothering to check against a NULL pointer, what about NULL+1
> pointers which are also invalid? Why not invent some function to
> ensure that the pointer is a valid kernel pointer. Maybe you'll have
> to interate the vmalloc lists too - yay, more code to be executed!
> That must be good!
>
> In your example, if you're going to check that pwm is non-NULL, what
> if pwm->chip is non-NULL? How far do you take this?
>
> Or... just like most of the core kernel does, it does _not_ verify on
> function entry that the pointer is "correct" unless it is explicitly
> defined that the function may take a NULL pointer (like kfree()).
> Everything else just goes right on and does the dereference - and if
> the pointer was wrong, we hope that the MMU faults and we get a kernel
> oops.
>
> Have a read through the code in fs/ or kernel/ and see how many functions
> you can spot in there which validate their pointers which aren't dealing
> with data from userland.
>
> You'll find almost no function checking that an inode pointer is not NULL.
> Or a struct file pointer. Or a struct path pointer... etc.
>
> Yet, you come to ARM code, and it seems "popular" that pointer arguments
> need to be verified on every single function call. Why is this?
>
> I don't know if Andrew would like to inject something here (I've added
> him) on this subject...
>
The v3 does not contain the check.
Thank you,
Florian
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-01-28 15:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-01-25 13:44 [PATCH v2 0/3] leds-pwm: Defer PWM calls if PWM can sleep Florian Vaussard
2013-01-25 13:44 ` Florian Vaussard
2013-01-25 13:44 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] pwm: Add pwm_cansleep() as exported API to users Florian Vaussard
2013-01-25 13:44 ` Florian Vaussard
2013-01-25 13:51 ` Peter Ujfalusi
2013-01-25 13:51 ` Peter Ujfalusi
2013-01-26 5:40 ` Thierry Reding
2013-01-26 5:40 ` Thierry Reding
2013-01-28 8:45 ` Peter Ujfalusi
2013-01-28 8:45 ` Peter Ujfalusi
2013-01-28 9:36 ` Florian Vaussard
2013-01-28 9:36 ` Florian Vaussard
2013-01-28 9:57 ` Thierry Reding
2013-01-28 9:57 ` Thierry Reding
2013-01-28 10:57 ` Florian Vaussard
2013-01-28 10:57 ` Florian Vaussard
2013-01-28 13:16 ` Thierry Reding
2013-01-28 13:16 ` Thierry Reding
2013-01-28 15:01 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-01-28 15:01 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-01-28 15:46 ` Florian Vaussard [this message]
2013-01-28 15:46 ` Florian Vaussard
2013-01-25 13:44 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] pwm: Add can_sleep property to drivers Florian Vaussard
2013-01-25 13:44 ` Florian Vaussard
2013-01-25 13:51 ` Peter Ujfalusi
2013-01-25 13:51 ` Peter Ujfalusi
2013-01-25 13:44 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] leds: leds-pwm: Defer led_pwm_set() if PWM can sleep Florian Vaussard
2013-01-25 13:44 ` Florian Vaussard
2013-01-25 13:52 ` Peter Ujfalusi
2013-01-25 13:52 ` Peter Ujfalusi
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