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From: Pavel Emelyanov <xemul-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Denys Vlasenko <vda.linux-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Andrew Vagin <avagin-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>,
	mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
	David Howells <dhowells-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	criu-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org,
	Cyrill Gorcunov
	<gorcunov-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Andrey Wagin <avagin-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Alexander Viro
	<viro-RmSDqhL/yNMiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-fsdevel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Dave Jones <davej-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney"
	<paulmck-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [CRIU] [PATCH 3/3] signalfd: add ability to read siginfo-s without dequeuing signals (v2)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:53:11 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <511905D7.3040209@parallels.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAK1hOcMepaOD80GOvUv1xz3xibTG_iKMK-w7698K6KfRmcKGeA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>

On 02/11/2013 06:46 PM, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Andrew Vagin <avagin-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>>> I suppose I had wondered along similar lines, but in a slightly
>>>> different direction: would the use of a /proc interface to get the
>>>> queued signals make some sense?
>>>
>>> I think that /proc interface beats adding magic flags and magic semantic
>>> to [p]read.
>>>
>>> It also has the benefit of being human-readable. You don't need
>>> to write a special C program to "cat /proc/$$/foo".
>>>
>>> Andrey, I know that it is hard to let go of the code you invested time
>>> and efforts in creating. But this isn't the last patch, is it?
>>> You will need to retrieve yet more data for process checkpointing.
>>> When you start working on the next patch for it, consider trying
>>> /proc approach.
>>
>> I don't think that we need to convert siginfo into a human readable format
>> in kernel.
> 
> My point is that bolting hacks onto various bits of kernel API
> in order to support process checkpointing makes those APIs
> (their in-kernel implementation) ridden with special cases
> and harder to support in the future.
> 
> Process checkpointing needs to bite the bullet and
> create its own API instead.

This is bad approach as well. What we should do is come up with a sane
API that makes sense without the checkpoint-restore project _when_ _possible_.

> Whether it would be a /proc/PID/checkpoint or a
> ptrace(PTRACE_GET_CHKPOINT_DATA) is another question.

Thanks,
Pavel

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@parallels.com>
To: Denys Vlasenko <vda.linux@googlemail.com>
Cc: Andrew Vagin <avagin@parallels.com>,
	mtk.manpages@gmail.com, David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, criu@openvz.org,
	Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@openvz.org>,
	Andrey Wagin <avagin@gmail.com>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [CRIU] [PATCH 3/3] signalfd: add ability to read siginfo-s without dequeuing signals (v2)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:53:11 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <511905D7.3040209@parallels.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAK1hOcMepaOD80GOvUv1xz3xibTG_iKMK-w7698K6KfRmcKGeA@mail.gmail.com>

On 02/11/2013 06:46 PM, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Andrew Vagin <avagin@parallels.com> wrote:
>>>> I suppose I had wondered along similar lines, but in a slightly
>>>> different direction: would the use of a /proc interface to get the
>>>> queued signals make some sense?
>>>
>>> I think that /proc interface beats adding magic flags and magic semantic
>>> to [p]read.
>>>
>>> It also has the benefit of being human-readable. You don't need
>>> to write a special C program to "cat /proc/$$/foo".
>>>
>>> Andrey, I know that it is hard to let go of the code you invested time
>>> and efforts in creating. But this isn't the last patch, is it?
>>> You will need to retrieve yet more data for process checkpointing.
>>> When you start working on the next patch for it, consider trying
>>> /proc approach.
>>
>> I don't think that we need to convert siginfo into a human readable format
>> in kernel.
> 
> My point is that bolting hacks onto various bits of kernel API
> in order to support process checkpointing makes those APIs
> (their in-kernel implementation) ridden with special cases
> and harder to support in the future.
> 
> Process checkpointing needs to bite the bullet and
> create its own API instead.

This is bad approach as well. What we should do is come up with a sane
API that makes sense without the checkpoint-restore project _when_ _possible_.

> Whether it would be a /proc/PID/checkpoint or a
> ptrace(PTRACE_GET_CHKPOINT_DATA) is another question.

Thanks,
Pavel

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-02-11 14:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-01-22 10:15 [PATCH 0/3] signalfd: a kernel interface for dumping pending signals Andrey Vagin
2013-01-22 10:15 ` Andrey Vagin
     [not found] ` <1358849741-9611-1-git-send-email-avagin-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2013-01-22 10:15   ` [PATCH 1/3] signal: add a helper for dequeuing signals from a specified queue Andrey Vagin
2013-01-22 10:15     ` Andrey Vagin
     [not found]     ` <1358849741-9611-2-git-send-email-avagin-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-05 12:00       ` [PATCH 1/3] signal: add a helper for dequeuing signals from a specified queue (v2) Andrey Vagin
2013-02-05 12:00         ` Andrey Vagin
2013-01-22 10:15   ` [PATCH 2/3] signalfd: add ability to choose a private or shared queue Andrey Vagin
2013-01-22 10:15     ` Andrey Vagin
2013-02-07 18:17     ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]       ` <20130207181706.GA8780-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-08  0:35         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2013-02-08  0:35           ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2013-02-08 19:12           ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-01-22 10:15 ` [PATCH 3/3] signalfd: add ability to read siginfo-s without dequeuing signals Andrey Vagin
2013-01-29 19:03   ` [PATCH 3/3] signalfd: add ability to read siginfo-s without dequeuing signals (v2) Andrey Vagin
     [not found]     ` <CAKgNAkgQA=zK=2ZnytPFU=DH6jr0sja0iy6K+j6c7unheLFniQ@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]       ` <CAKgNAkgQA=zK=2ZnytPFU=DH6jr0sja0iy6K+j6c7unheLFniQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-02  7:15         ` Andrey Wagin
2013-02-02  7:15           ` Andrey Wagin
     [not found]     ` <1359486181-29088-1-git-send-email-avagin-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-07 17:34       ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-02-07 17:34         ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]         ` <20130207173447.GA5888-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-07 21:13           ` Andrey Wagin
2013-02-07 21:13             ` Andrey Wagin
2013-02-08  0:51             ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2013-02-08 19:10             ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]               ` <20130208191056.GA13674-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-08 20:15                 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2013-02-08 20:15                   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2013-02-09 18:22                   ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                     ` <20130209182239.GA9947-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-09 22:53                       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2013-02-09 22:53                         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2013-02-10 10:04                         ` [CRIU] " Andrew Vagin
2013-02-10 10:04                           ` Andrew Vagin
     [not found]                           ` <20130210100424.GA15978-yYYamFZzV1regbzhZkK2zA@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-11 16:47                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-02-11 16:47                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-02-10 10:07                     ` Andrew Vagin
2013-02-10 10:07                       ` Andrew Vagin
2013-02-11  9:29                   ` Denys Vlasenko
2013-02-11 10:59                     ` [CRIU] " Andrew Vagin
2013-02-11 10:59                       ` Andrew Vagin
     [not found]                       ` <20130211105941.GA26717-yYYamFZzV1regbzhZkK2zA@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-11 14:46                         ` Denys Vlasenko
2013-02-11 14:46                           ` Denys Vlasenko
     [not found]                           ` <CAK1hOcMepaOD80GOvUv1xz3xibTG_iKMK-w7698K6KfRmcKGeA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-11 14:53                             ` Pavel Emelyanov [this message]
2013-02-11 14:53                               ` Pavel Emelyanov
     [not found]                               ` <511905D7.3040209-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-11 17:25                                 ` Denys Vlasenko
2013-02-11 17:25                                   ` Denys Vlasenko
     [not found]                                   ` <CAK1hOcNOYRWwrwZEpVza1CTSL_mHEj-Ur577QRnBNkOmdb=Bdw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-12 14:50                                     ` Pavel Emelyanov
2013-02-12 14:50                                       ` Pavel Emelyanov
2013-01-23  4:19 ` [PATCH 0/3] signalfd: a kernel interface for dumping pending signals Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]   ` <CAKgNAkgfV3qdrvBUYKBAgaYXUTZ5hMYLhwaiLkZO0KBTA_=1zw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-01-23 11:03     ` Andrew Vagin
2013-01-23 11:03       ` Andrew Vagin
2013-01-23 11:03       ` Andrew Vagin
     [not found]       ` <20130123110323.GA23139-yYYamFZzV1regbzhZkK2zA@public.gmane.org>
2013-01-23 12:11         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2013-01-23 12:11           ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]           ` <CAKgNAkjCX4L6R3X7uaLufjY61ZszQTWbD+bLqadGRB-HLNKOrw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-01-23 13:03             ` Andrew Vagin
2013-01-23 13:03               ` Andrew Vagin
2013-01-23 13:03               ` Andrew Vagin
2013-02-07 18:20     ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-02-07 18:20       ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]       ` <20130207182054.GB8780-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-08  0:36         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2013-02-08  0:36           ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)

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