From: Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: KY Srinivasan <kys@microsoft.com>
Cc: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"devel@linuxdriverproject.org" <devel@linuxdriverproject.org>,
"olaf@aepfle.de" <olaf@aepfle.de>,
"apw@canonical.com" <apw@canonical.com>,
"andi@firstfloor.org" <andi@firstfloor.org>,
"akpm@linux-foundation.org" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] mm: Export split_page().
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2013 09:05:58 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5134D476.3040302@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b863089d05f442fb9dfc90faa158a001@SN2PR03MB061.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
On 03/03/2013 06:36 PM, KY Srinivasan wrote:
>> I guess the most obvious question about exporting this symbol is, "Why
>> doesn't any of the other hypervisor balloon drivers need this? What is
>> so special about hyper-v?"
>
> The balloon protocol that Hyper-V has specified is designed around the ability to
> move 2M pages. While the protocol can handle 4k allocations, it is going to be very chatty
> with 4K allocations.
What does "very chatty" mean? Do you think that there will be a
noticeable performance difference ballooning 2M pages vs 4k?
> Furthermore, the Memory Balancer on the host is also designed to work
> best with memory moving around in 2M chunks. While I have not seen the code on the Windows
> host that does this memory balancing, looking at how Windows guests behave in this environment,
> (relative to Linux) I have to assume that the 2M allocations that Windows guests do are a big part of
> the difference we see.
You've been talking about differences. Could you elaborate on what the
differences in behavior are that you are trying to rectify here?
>> Or can those other drivers also need/use it as well, and they were just
>> too chicken to be asking for the export? :)
>
> The 2M balloon allocations would make sense if the host is designed accordingly.
How does the guest decide which size pages to allocate? It seems like a
relatively bad idea to be inflating the balloon with 2M pages from the
guest in the case where the guest is under memory pressure _and_
fragmented.
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From: Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: KY Srinivasan <kys@microsoft.com>
Cc: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"devel@linuxdriverproject.org" <devel@linuxdriverproject.org>,
"olaf@aepfle.de" <olaf@aepfle.de>,
"apw@canonical.com" <apw@canonical.com>,
"andi@firstfloor.org" <andi@firstfloor.org>,
"akpm@linux-foundation.org" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] mm: Export split_page().
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2013 09:05:58 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5134D476.3040302@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b863089d05f442fb9dfc90faa158a001@SN2PR03MB061.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
On 03/03/2013 06:36 PM, KY Srinivasan wrote:
>> I guess the most obvious question about exporting this symbol is, "Why
>> doesn't any of the other hypervisor balloon drivers need this? What is
>> so special about hyper-v?"
>
> The balloon protocol that Hyper-V has specified is designed around the ability to
> move 2M pages. While the protocol can handle 4k allocations, it is going to be very chatty
> with 4K allocations.
What does "very chatty" mean? Do you think that there will be a
noticeable performance difference ballooning 2M pages vs 4k?
> Furthermore, the Memory Balancer on the host is also designed to work
> best with memory moving around in 2M chunks. While I have not seen the code on the Windows
> host that does this memory balancing, looking at how Windows guests behave in this environment,
> (relative to Linux) I have to assume that the 2M allocations that Windows guests do are a big part of
> the difference we see.
You've been talking about differences. Could you elaborate on what the
differences in behavior are that you are trying to rectify here?
>> Or can those other drivers also need/use it as well, and they were just
>> too chicken to be asking for the export? :)
>
> The 2M balloon allocations would make sense if the host is designed accordingly.
How does the guest decide which size pages to allocate? It seems like a
relatively bad idea to be inflating the balloon with 2M pages from the
guest in the case where the guest is under memory pressure _and_
fragmented.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-03-04 17:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-03-04 2:27 [PATCH 1/1] mm: Export split_page() K. Y. Srinivasan
2013-03-04 2:27 ` K. Y. Srinivasan
2013-03-04 2:07 ` Greg KH
2013-03-04 2:07 ` Greg KH
2013-03-04 2:14 ` KY Srinivasan
2013-03-04 2:14 ` KY Srinivasan
2013-03-04 2:25 ` Greg KH
2013-03-04 2:25 ` Greg KH
2013-03-04 2:36 ` KY Srinivasan
2013-03-04 2:36 ` KY Srinivasan
2013-03-04 17:05 ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2013-03-04 17:05 ` Dave Hansen
2013-03-04 18:10 ` KY Srinivasan
2013-03-04 18:10 ` KY Srinivasan
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