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From: marc.zyngier@arm.com (Marc Zyngier)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v3 7/7] ARM: KVM: drop use of PAGE_S2_DEVICE
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 11:11:26 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <51A482CE.1090509@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEDV+gJeeQUOOLjFpkvoPk7e=csjmvvefhdp1miiWtosABwW6Q@mail.gmail.com>

On 27/05/13 21:01, Christoffer Dall wrote:
> On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 4:11 AM, Marc Zyngier <marc.zyngier@arm.com> wrote:
>> At the moment, when mapping a device into Stage-2 for a guest,
>> we override whatever the guest uses by forcing a device memory
>> type in Stage-2.
>>
>> While this is not exactly wrong, this isn't really the "spirit" of
>> the architecture. The hardware shouldn't have to cope for a broken
>> guest mapping to a device as normal memory.
>>
> 
> So I'm trying to think of a scenario where this feature in the
> architecture would actually be useful, and it sounds like from you
> guys that it's only useful to properly run a broken guest.
> 
> Are we 100% sure that a malicious guest can't leverage this to break
> isolation? I'm thinking something along the lines of writing to a
> device (for example the gic virtual cpu interface) with a cached
> mapping. If such a write is in fact written back to cache, and not
> evicted from the cache before a later time, where a different VM is
> running, can't that adversely affect the other VM?
> 
> Probably this can never happen, but I wasn't able to convince myself
> of this from going through the ARM ARM...?

I think you definitely have a point here, and I completely missed that
case. A shared device (like the GIC virtual CPU interface) must be
forced to a device memory type, otherwise we cannot ensure strict
isolation of guests.

I'll drop this patch from my series and add PAGE_S2_DEVICE back to the
arm64 port.

Thanks,

	M.
-- 
Jazz is not dead. It just smells funny...

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From: Marc Zyngier <marc.zyngier@arm.com>
To: Christoffer Dall <cdall@cs.columbia.edu>
Cc: linux-arm-kernel <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	"kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu" <kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu>,
	KVM General <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <Catalin.Marinas@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 7/7] ARM: KVM: drop use of PAGE_S2_DEVICE
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 11:11:26 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <51A482CE.1090509@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEDV+gJeeQUOOLjFpkvoPk7e=csjmvvefhdp1miiWtosABwW6Q@mail.gmail.com>

On 27/05/13 21:01, Christoffer Dall wrote:
> On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 4:11 AM, Marc Zyngier <marc.zyngier@arm.com> wrote:
>> At the moment, when mapping a device into Stage-2 for a guest,
>> we override whatever the guest uses by forcing a device memory
>> type in Stage-2.
>>
>> While this is not exactly wrong, this isn't really the "spirit" of
>> the architecture. The hardware shouldn't have to cope for a broken
>> guest mapping to a device as normal memory.
>>
> 
> So I'm trying to think of a scenario where this feature in the
> architecture would actually be useful, and it sounds like from you
> guys that it's only useful to properly run a broken guest.
> 
> Are we 100% sure that a malicious guest can't leverage this to break
> isolation? I'm thinking something along the lines of writing to a
> device (for example the gic virtual cpu interface) with a cached
> mapping. If such a write is in fact written back to cache, and not
> evicted from the cache before a later time, where a different VM is
> running, can't that adversely affect the other VM?
> 
> Probably this can never happen, but I wasn't able to convince myself
> of this from going through the ARM ARM...?

I think you definitely have a point here, and I completely missed that
case. A shared device (like the GIC virtual CPU interface) must be
forced to a device memory type, otherwise we cannot ensure strict
isolation of guests.

I'll drop this patch from my series and add PAGE_S2_DEVICE back to the
arm64 port.

Thanks,

	M.
-- 
Jazz is not dead. It just smells funny...


  reply	other threads:[~2013-05-28 10:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-05-14 11:11 [PATCH v3 0/7] ARM: KVM: various mmu related fixes for 3.10 Marc Zyngier
2013-05-14 11:11 ` Marc Zyngier
2013-05-14 11:11 ` [PATCH v3 1/7] ARM: KVM: be more thorough when invalidating TLBs Marc Zyngier
2013-05-14 11:11   ` Marc Zyngier
2013-05-28  1:53   ` Christoffer Dall
2013-05-28  1:53     ` Christoffer Dall
2013-05-14 11:11 ` [PATCH v3 2/7] ARM: KVM: remove dead prototype for __kvm_tlb_flush_vmid Marc Zyngier
2013-05-14 11:11   ` Marc Zyngier
2013-05-28  1:54   ` Christoffer Dall
2013-05-28  1:54     ` Christoffer Dall
2013-05-14 11:11 ` [PATCH v3 3/7] ARM: KVM: relax cache maintainance when building page tables Marc Zyngier
2013-05-14 11:11   ` Marc Zyngier
2013-05-14 13:05   ` Will Deacon
2013-05-14 13:05     ` Will Deacon
2013-05-28  2:10   ` Christoffer Dall
2013-05-28  2:10     ` Christoffer Dall
2013-05-14 11:11 ` [PATCH v3 4/7] ARM: KVM: use phys_addr_t instead of unsigned long long for HYP PGDs Marc Zyngier
2013-05-14 11:11   ` Marc Zyngier
2013-05-28  2:11   ` Christoffer Dall
2013-05-28  2:11     ` Christoffer Dall
2013-05-14 11:11 ` [PATCH v3 5/7] ARM: KVM: don't special case PC when doing an MMIO Marc Zyngier
2013-05-14 11:11   ` Marc Zyngier
2013-05-28  2:11   ` Christoffer Dall
2013-05-28  2:11     ` Christoffer Dall
2013-05-14 11:11 ` [PATCH v3 6/7] ARM: KVM: get rid of S2_PGD_SIZE Marc Zyngier
2013-05-14 11:11   ` Marc Zyngier
2013-05-28  2:12   ` Christoffer Dall
2013-05-28  2:12     ` Christoffer Dall
2013-05-28  2:15   ` Christoffer Dall
2013-05-28  2:15     ` Christoffer Dall
2013-05-14 11:11 ` [PATCH v3 7/7] ARM: KVM: drop use of PAGE_S2_DEVICE Marc Zyngier
2013-05-14 11:11   ` Marc Zyngier
2013-05-27 20:01   ` Christoffer Dall
2013-05-27 20:01     ` Christoffer Dall
2013-05-28 10:11     ` Marc Zyngier [this message]
2013-05-28 10:11       ` Marc Zyngier
2013-05-28 14:16       ` Christoffer Dall
2013-05-28 14:16         ` Christoffer Dall
2013-05-28 14:25         ` Marc Zyngier
2013-05-28 14:25           ` Marc Zyngier
2013-05-28 14:29           ` Christoffer Dall
2013-05-28 14:29             ` Christoffer Dall
2013-05-21 16:07 ` [PATCH v3 0/7] ARM: KVM: various mmu related fixes for 3.10 Catalin Marinas
2013-05-21 16:07   ` Catalin Marinas

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