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From: John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>
To: Alexander Holler <holler@ahsoftware.de>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	rtc-linux@googlegroups.com, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Alessandro Zummo <a.zummo@towertech.it>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/9 v3] RFC: timekeeping: rtc: remove CONFIG_RTC_HCTOSYS and RTC_HCTOSYS_DEVICE
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 12:11:11 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <51BB6ACF.9050702@linaro.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1371228732-5749-7-git-send-email-holler@ahsoftware.de>

On 06/14/2013 09:52 AM, Alexander Holler wrote:
> Those config options don't make sense anymore with the new hctosys
> mechanism introduced with the previous patch.
>
> That means two things:
>
> - If a (hardware) clock is available it will be used to set the time at
>    boot. This was already the case for system which have a "persistent"
>    clock, e.g. most x86 systems. The only way to specify the device used
>    for hctosys is now by using the kernel parameter hctosys= introduced
>    with a previous patch.
>
> - If a hardware clock was used for hctosys before suspend, this clock
>    will be used to adjust the clock at resume. Again, this doesn't change
>    anything on systems with a "persistent" clock.
>
> What's missing:
>
> I don't know much about those "persistent" clocks and I haven't had a
> deep look at them. That's especially true for the suspend/resume
> mechanism used by them. The mechanism I want to use is the following:
> The RTC subsystem now maintains the ID of the RTC device which was used
> for hctosys (in rtc_hctosys_dev_id) and therefor specifies the device
> which should be used to adjust the time after resume. Additionaly the
> (new) flag systime_was_set will be set to false at suspend and on resume
> this flag will be set to true if either the clock will be adjusted by
> the device used for hctosys or by userspace (through do_settimeofday()).
>
> That all should already work as expected for RTCs, what's missing for
> "persistent" clocks is that the flag systime_was_set is set to false on
> suspend and set to true on resume. Currently it just stays at true
> (which is set through hctosys if a "persistent" clock is found.
> But because "persistent" clocks don't go away (as it is possible with
> RTCs by removing the driver or the RTC itself), nor do "persistent"
> clocks might have two instances, this shouldn't be a problem at all.

This one concerns me a bit. Since you're removing quite a bit and it 
looks like it may break userland expectations.

I ran into this myself recently, when I found some distros look for 
/sys/class/rtc/rtcN/hctosys in order to determine which rtc device 
should be synced with from userland.

So I'd probably suggest instead to re-factor this so you leave all the 
hctosys bits alone, but just change it from being called by a 
late_initcall() and instead have it called when we register the RTC that 
matches CONFIG_RTC_HCTOSYS_DEVICE.

I suspect it will end up being a much smaller change that way.

Then the last bit is just a matter of adding the 
timekeeping_systimeset() check to the hctosys bits.


thanks
-john


  reply	other threads:[~2013-06-14 19:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-04-19 15:14 [PATCH 0/3] rtc: rtc-hid-sensor-time Alexander Holler
2013-04-19 15:14 ` [PATCH 1/3 RESEND] rtc: rtc-hid-sensor-time: allow full years (16bit) in HID reports Alexander Holler
2013-04-19 15:14 ` [PATCH 2/3] rtc: rtc-hid-sensor-time: allow 16 and 32 bit values for all attributes Alexander Holler
2013-04-19 15:14 ` [PATCH 3/3] rtc: rtc-hid-sensor-time; add option hctosys to set time at boot Alexander Holler
2013-04-22 23:38   ` Andrew Morton
2013-04-23  8:51     ` Alexander Holler
2013-04-23 10:08       ` Alexander Holler
2013-04-23 10:13         ` Alexander Holler
2013-04-23 10:17           ` Alexander Holler
2013-04-23 15:47             ` Alexander Holler
2013-04-24 21:14               ` Andrew Morton
2013-04-25  6:55                 ` Alexander Holler
2013-05-05 11:21             ` [PATCH 0/4] rtc: rtc-hid-sensor-time: some changes Alexander Holler
2013-05-05 11:21               ` [PATCH 1/4] rtc: rtc-hid-sensor-time: allow full years (16bit) in HID reports Alexander Holler
2013-05-05 11:21               ` [PATCH 2/4] rtc: rtc-hid-sensor-time: allow 16 and 32 bit values for all attributes Alexander Holler
2013-05-05 11:21               ` [PATCH 3/4] rtc: rtc-hid-sensor-time: add option hctosys to set time at boot Alexander Holler
2013-05-21 21:42                 ` Andrew Morton
2013-05-21 22:02                 ` John Stultz
2013-05-21 23:15                   ` Alexander Holler
2013-05-28 19:37                     ` John Stultz
2013-05-29  4:42                       ` Alexander Holler
2013-06-04 13:41                         ` Alexander Holler
2013-06-05 17:15                           ` [PATCH 0/3] RFC: timekeeping: rtc: change hctosys mechanism Alexander Holler
2013-06-05 17:15                             ` [PATCH 1/3] RFC: timekeeping: introduce flag systime_was_set Alexander Holler
2013-06-05 17:15                             ` [PATCH 2/3] RFC: timekeeping: rtc: Introduce new kernel parameter hctosys Alexander Holler
2013-06-05 17:15                             ` [PATCH 3/3] RFC: timekeeping: rtc: remove CONFIG_RTC_HCTOSYS and RTC_HCTOSYS_DEVICE Alexander Holler
2013-06-06 10:51                             ` [PATCH 0/3 v2] RFC: timekeeping: rtc: change hctosys mechanism Alexander Holler
2013-06-06 10:51                               ` [PATCH 1/3 RESEND] RFC: timekeeping: introduce flag systime_was_set Alexander Holler
2013-06-06 10:51                               ` [PATCH 2/3 v2] RFC: timekeeping: rtc: Introduce new kernel parameter hctosys Alexander Holler
2013-06-13 19:39                                 ` Alexander Holler
2013-06-14 16:52                                   ` [PATCH 0/9 v3] RFC: timekeeping: rtc: change hctosys mechanism Alexander Holler
2013-06-14 16:52                                     ` [PATCH 1/9 RESEND] rtc: rtc-hid-sensor-time: allow full years (16bit) in HID reports Alexander Holler
2013-06-14 16:52                                     ` [PATCH 2/9 RESEND] rtc: rtc-hid-sensor-time: allow 16 and 32 bit values for all attributes Alexander Holler
2013-06-14 16:52                                     ` [PATCH 3/9] rtc: rtc-hid-sensor-time: delay registering as rtc into a work Alexander Holler
2013-06-20 10:39                                       ` [PATCH 3/9 v2] " Alexander Holler
2013-06-26 19:55                                         ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-26 21:34                                           ` [rtc-linux] " Alexander Holler
2013-06-26 22:07                                             ` Greg KH
2013-06-26 23:51                                               ` Alexander Holler
2013-07-06  8:55                                                 ` Alexander Holler
2013-07-06 18:21                                                   ` Jiri Kosina
2013-07-07  7:35                                                     ` Alexander Holler
2013-07-08  9:12                                                       ` [PATCH 0/2] rtc: rtc-hid-sensor-time: enable HID input processing early Alexander Holler
2013-07-08  9:12                                                         ` [PATCH 1/2] rtc: rtc-hid-sensor-time: improve error handling when rtc register fails Alexander Holler
2013-07-08  9:12                                                         ` [PATCH 2/2] rtc: rtc-hid-sensor-time: enable HID input processing early Alexander Holler
2013-06-28  1:29                                             ` [rtc-linux] Re: [PATCH 3/9 v2] rtc: rtc-hid-sensor-time: delay registering as rtc into a work Alexander Holler
2013-06-14 16:52                                     ` [PATCH 4/9 RESEND] RFC: timekeeping: introduce flag systime_was_set Alexander Holler
2013-06-14 17:41                                       ` John Stultz
2013-06-14 18:05                                         ` [rtc-linux] " Alexander Holler
2013-06-14 18:28                                           ` John Stultz
2013-06-15  6:01                                             ` Alexander Holler
2013-06-17 18:10                                               ` John Stultz
2013-06-20 10:15                                                 ` Alexander Holler
2013-06-20 17:27                                                   ` John Stultz
2013-06-20 18:45                                                     ` Alexander Holler
2013-06-20 19:28                                                       ` John Stultz
2013-06-20 23:10                                                         ` Alexander Holler
2013-06-14 16:52                                     ` [PATCH 5/9 v3] RFC: timekeeping: rtc: Introduce new kernel parameter hctosys Alexander Holler
2013-06-14 19:24                                       ` John Stultz
2013-06-14 16:52                                     ` [PATCH 6/9 v3] RFC: timekeeping: rtc: remove CONFIG_RTC_HCTOSYS and RTC_HCTOSYS_DEVICE Alexander Holler
2013-06-14 19:11                                       ` John Stultz [this message]
2013-06-22  8:00                                         ` Alexander Holler
2013-06-14 16:52                                     ` [PATCH 7/9] RFC: rtc: implement rtc_read_timeval() Alexander Holler
2013-06-14 17:23                                       ` John Stultz
2013-06-14 17:43                                         ` Alexander Holler
2013-06-14 19:18                                           ` John Stultz
2013-06-14 17:28                                       ` John Stultz
2013-06-14 16:52                                     ` [PATCH 8/9] RFC: rtc: hctosys: support rtc_read_timeval() for high precision clocks Alexander Holler
2013-06-14 19:20                                       ` John Stultz
2013-06-14 16:52                                     ` [PATCH 9/9] RFC: rtc: rtc-hid-sensor-time: add support for rtc_read_timeval() Alexander Holler
2013-06-14 17:27                                     ` [PATCH 0/9 v3] RFC: timekeeping: rtc: change hctosys mechanism John Stultz
2013-06-06 10:51                               ` [PATCH 3/3 v2] RFC: timekeeping: rtc: remove CONFIG_RTC_HCTOSYS and RTC_HCTOSYS_DEVICE Alexander Holler
2013-06-04  9:38                 ` [PATCH] rtc: rtc-hid-sensor-time: fix possible bug on driver_remove Alexander Holler
2013-06-08  8:56                   ` Alexander Holler
2013-05-05 11:21               ` [PATCH 4/4] rtc: rtc-hid-sensor-time: add support for milliseconds Alexander Holler
2013-04-20 23:46 ` [PATCH 0/3] rtc: rtc-hid-sensor-time Jiri Kosina
2013-04-21  6:38   ` Alexander Holler

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