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From: Peter Hurley <peter@hurleysoftware.com>
To: Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Davidlohr Bueso <davidlohr.bueso@hp.com>,
	Alex Shi <alex.shi@intel.com>,
	Michel Lespinasse <walken@google.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	Matthew R Wilcox <matthew.r.wilcox@intel.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] rwsem: do optimistic spinning for writer lock acquisition
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 16:32:26 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <51C8ACDA.4080400@hurleysoftware.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1372101180.22432.58.camel@schen9-DESK>

On 06/24/2013 03:13 PM, Tim Chen wrote:
> On Mon, 2013-06-24 at 14:49 -0400, Peter Hurley wrote:
>> On 06/24/2013 01:11 PM, Tim Chen wrote:
>>> On Sun, 2013-06-23 at 13:03 -0700, Davidlohr Bueso wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 2013-06-22 at 03:57 -0400, Peter Hurley wrote:
>>>>> On 06/21/2013 07:51 PM, Tim Chen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +static inline bool rwsem_can_spin_on_owner(struct rw_semaphore *sem)
>>>>>> +{
>>>>>> +	int retval = true;
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +	/* Spin only if active writer running */
>>>>>> +	if (!sem->owner)
>>>>>> +		return false;
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +	rcu_read_lock();
>>>>>> +	if (sem->owner)
>>>>>> +		retval = sem->owner->on_cpu;
>>>>>                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>>
>>>>> Why is this a safe dereference? Could not another cpu have just
>>>>> dropped the sem (and thus set sem->owner to NULL and oops)?
>>>>>
>>>
>>> The rcu read lock should protect against sem->owner being NULL.
>>
>> It doesn't.
>>
>> Here's the comment from mutex_spin_on_owner():
>>
>>     /*
>>      * Look out! "owner" is an entirely speculative pointer
>>      * access and not reliable.
>>      */
>>
>
> In mutex_spin_on_owner, after rcu_read_lock, the owner_running()
> function de-references the owner pointer.

Only after establishing the following preconditions:
1. snapshot of owner is non-NULL
2. mutex->owner == snapshot owner
3. memory holding mutex has not been freed (that's what the
    rcu_read_lock() is for)

Only then is the owner dereferenced and only through the snapshot
(not the now-possibly-rewritten sem->owner).

> I'm using similar logic in rw-sem.

With crucial details absent.

Regards,
Peter Hurley


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From: Peter Hurley <peter@hurleysoftware.com>
To: Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Davidlohr Bueso <davidlohr.bueso@hp.com>,
	Alex Shi <alex.shi@intel.com>,
	Michel Lespinasse <walken@google.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	Matthew R Wilcox <matthew.r.wilcox@intel.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] rwsem: do optimistic spinning for writer lock acquisition
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 16:32:26 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <51C8ACDA.4080400@hurleysoftware.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1372101180.22432.58.camel@schen9-DESK>

On 06/24/2013 03:13 PM, Tim Chen wrote:
> On Mon, 2013-06-24 at 14:49 -0400, Peter Hurley wrote:
>> On 06/24/2013 01:11 PM, Tim Chen wrote:
>>> On Sun, 2013-06-23 at 13:03 -0700, Davidlohr Bueso wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 2013-06-22 at 03:57 -0400, Peter Hurley wrote:
>>>>> On 06/21/2013 07:51 PM, Tim Chen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +static inline bool rwsem_can_spin_on_owner(struct rw_semaphore *sem)
>>>>>> +{
>>>>>> +	int retval = true;
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +	/* Spin only if active writer running */
>>>>>> +	if (!sem->owner)
>>>>>> +		return false;
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +	rcu_read_lock();
>>>>>> +	if (sem->owner)
>>>>>> +		retval = sem->owner->on_cpu;
>>>>>                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>>
>>>>> Why is this a safe dereference? Could not another cpu have just
>>>>> dropped the sem (and thus set sem->owner to NULL and oops)?
>>>>>
>>>
>>> The rcu read lock should protect against sem->owner being NULL.
>>
>> It doesn't.
>>
>> Here's the comment from mutex_spin_on_owner():
>>
>>     /*
>>      * Look out! "owner" is an entirely speculative pointer
>>      * access and not reliable.
>>      */
>>
>
> In mutex_spin_on_owner, after rcu_read_lock, the owner_running()
> function de-references the owner pointer.

Only after establishing the following preconditions:
1. snapshot of owner is non-NULL
2. mutex->owner == snapshot owner
3. memory holding mutex has not been freed (that's what the
    rcu_read_lock() is for)

Only then is the owner dereferenced and only through the snapshot
(not the now-possibly-rewritten sem->owner).

> I'm using similar logic in rw-sem.

With crucial details absent.

Regards,
Peter Hurley



  reply	other threads:[~2013-06-24 20:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <cover.1371855277.git.tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>
2013-06-21 23:51 ` [PATCH 1/2] rwsem: check the lock before cpmxchg in down_write_trylock and rwsem_do_wake Tim Chen
2013-06-21 23:51   ` Tim Chen
2013-06-22  0:10   ` Alex Shi
2013-06-22  0:10     ` Alex Shi
2013-06-22  0:15     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-06-22  0:15       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-06-24 16:34     ` Tim Chen
2013-06-24 16:34       ` Tim Chen
2013-06-22  7:21   ` Peter Hurley
2013-06-22  7:21     ` Peter Hurley
2013-06-23  1:16     ` Alex Shi
2013-06-23  1:16       ` Alex Shi
2013-06-23  5:10       ` Andi Kleen
2013-06-23  5:10         ` Andi Kleen
2013-06-23 11:52         ` Alex Shi
2013-06-23 11:52           ` Alex Shi
2013-06-21 23:51 ` [PATCH 2/2] rwsem: do optimistic spinning for writer lock acquisition Tim Chen
2013-06-21 23:51   ` Tim Chen
2013-06-22  0:00   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-06-22  0:00     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-06-22  7:57   ` Peter Hurley
2013-06-22  7:57     ` Peter Hurley
2013-06-23 20:03     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-06-23 20:03       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-06-24 17:11       ` Tim Chen
2013-06-24 17:11         ` Tim Chen
2013-06-24 18:49         ` Peter Hurley
2013-06-24 18:49           ` Peter Hurley
2013-06-24 19:13           ` Tim Chen
2013-06-24 19:13             ` Tim Chen
2013-06-24 20:32             ` Peter Hurley [this message]
2013-06-24 20:32               ` Peter Hurley
2013-06-24 20:17           ` Tim Chen
2013-06-24 20:17             ` Tim Chen
2013-06-24 20:48             ` Peter Hurley
2013-06-24 20:48               ` Peter Hurley
2013-06-24 21:30               ` Tim Chen
2013-06-24 21:30                 ` Tim Chen
2013-06-25  7:37             ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-06-25  7:37               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-06-25 16:00               ` Tim Chen
2013-06-25 16:00                 ` Tim Chen
2013-06-24 21:58     ` Tim Chen
2013-06-24 21:58       ` Tim Chen
2013-06-24 22:08       ` Peter Hurley
2013-06-24 22:08         ` Peter Hurley
2013-06-24  8:46   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-06-24  8:46     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-06-24 16:36     ` Tim Chen
2013-06-24 16:36       ` Tim Chen

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