From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: Colin Cross <ccross@android.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: add sys_madvise2 and MADV_NAME to name vmas
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 17:19:14 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <51DDFA02.9040707@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMbhsRTs45QE1ze6mvdiL2QYKD0dHjXoRk7o1h2Y_rYP80ckDg@mail.gmail.com>
On 07/10/2013 05:12 PM, Colin Cross wrote:
> I wonder if it
> would be worth trying to make names a struct file? They would be
> significantly larger than a struct vma_name, but reuse all the
> existing refcounting code.
Not worth it INMHO.
>> Here's one more idea: instead of having a kernel pointer, let's let
>> userspace hand the kernel a userspace address, and the kernel will hang
>> on to it. Userspace is responsible for keeping it valid, kind of like
>> ARGV[]. When the kernel goes to dump out the /proc/$pid/maps fields, it
>> can do a copy_from_user() to get the string back out. If this fails, it
>> can just go and treat it like a non-named VMA, or could output
>> "userspace sucks".
>>
>> That way, the kernel isn't dealing with refcounting and allocating
>> strings. It's got security concerns, just like
>> /proc/$pid/cmdline since it'll let you dig around in another process's
>> address space via /proc. But, I think they're manageable.
>
> How do you deal with merging adjacent vmas with the same name? The
> whole point of the refcounted strings is to allow comparing strings
> for equality by comparing pointers. You could say that a named vma
> never gets merged, but then you might as well use separate tmpfs
> files, and you end up at least doubling the number of vmas in some
> processes I've seen.
If they have the same userspace pointer target, then they get merged.
Two adjacent vmas with the same name (according to strcmp()) would not
get merged.
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From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: Colin Cross <ccross@android.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: add sys_madvise2 and MADV_NAME to name vmas
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 17:19:14 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <51DDFA02.9040707@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMbhsRTs45QE1ze6mvdiL2QYKD0dHjXoRk7o1h2Y_rYP80ckDg@mail.gmail.com>
On 07/10/2013 05:12 PM, Colin Cross wrote:
> I wonder if it
> would be worth trying to make names a struct file? They would be
> significantly larger than a struct vma_name, but reuse all the
> existing refcounting code.
Not worth it INMHO.
>> Here's one more idea: instead of having a kernel pointer, let's let
>> userspace hand the kernel a userspace address, and the kernel will hang
>> on to it. Userspace is responsible for keeping it valid, kind of like
>> ARGV[]. When the kernel goes to dump out the /proc/$pid/maps fields, it
>> can do a copy_from_user() to get the string back out. If this fails, it
>> can just go and treat it like a non-named VMA, or could output
>> "userspace sucks".
>>
>> That way, the kernel isn't dealing with refcounting and allocating
>> strings. It's got security concerns, just like
>> /proc/$pid/cmdline since it'll let you dig around in another process's
>> address space via /proc. But, I think they're manageable.
>
> How do you deal with merging adjacent vmas with the same name? The
> whole point of the refcounted strings is to allow comparing strings
> for equality by comparing pointers. You could say that a named vma
> never gets merged, but then you might as well use separate tmpfs
> files, and you end up at least doubling the number of vmas in some
> processes I've seen.
If they have the same userspace pointer target, then they get merged.
Two adjacent vmas with the same name (according to strcmp()) would not
get merged.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-07-11 0:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-07-04 1:31 [PATCH] mm: add sys_madvise2 and MADV_NAME to name vmas Colin Cross
2013-07-04 1:31 ` Colin Cross
2013-07-04 4:54 ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-07-04 4:54 ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-07-04 6:32 ` Colin Cross
2013-07-04 6:32 ` Colin Cross
2013-07-05 16:52 ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-07-05 16:52 ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-07-06 6:33 ` Pekka Enberg
2013-07-06 6:33 ` Pekka Enberg
2013-07-06 11:53 ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-07-06 11:53 ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-07-07 18:35 ` Colin Cross
2013-07-07 18:35 ` Colin Cross
2013-07-14 1:38 ` Simon Jeons
2013-07-04 8:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-07-04 8:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-07-05 20:25 ` Colin Cross
2013-07-05 20:25 ` Colin Cross
2013-07-10 23:20 ` Dave Hansen
2013-07-10 23:20 ` Dave Hansen
2013-07-04 20:22 ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-07-04 20:22 ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-07-05 19:40 ` Colin Cross
2013-07-05 19:40 ` Colin Cross
2013-07-08 18:04 ` [PATCH 0/1] mm: mempolicy: (Was: add sys_madvise2 and MADV_NAME to name vmas) Oleg Nesterov
2013-07-08 18:04 ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-07-08 18:05 ` [PATCH 1/1] mm: mempolicy: fix mbind_range() && vma_adjust() interaction Oleg Nesterov
2013-07-08 18:05 ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-07-08 22:29 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-07-08 22:29 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-07-09 15:28 ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-07-09 15:28 ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-07-09 19:43 ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-07-09 19:43 ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-07-10 2:49 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-07-10 2:49 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-07-09 21:56 ` Andrew Morton
2013-07-09 21:56 ` Andrew Morton
2013-07-10 15:45 ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-07-10 15:45 ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-07-24 9:40 ` [PATCH] mm: add sys_madvise2 and MADV_NAME to name vmas Jan Glauber
2013-07-24 9:40 ` Jan Glauber
2013-07-24 20:05 ` Colin Cross
2013-07-24 20:05 ` Colin Cross
2013-07-10 23:08 ` Dave Hansen
2013-07-10 23:08 ` Dave Hansen
[not found] ` <CAMbhsRTio2mS=azWTxSdRdaZJRRf5FfMNoQUZmrFjkB7kv9LSQ@mail.gmail.com>
2013-07-10 23:38 ` Dave Hansen
2013-07-10 23:38 ` Dave Hansen
[not found] ` <CAMbhsRTs45QE1ze6mvdiL2QYKD0dHjXoRk7o1h2Y_rYP80ckDg@mail.gmail.com>
2013-07-11 0:19 ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2013-07-11 0:19 ` Dave Hansen
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