From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Richard Henderson <rth@twiddle.net>
Cc: aliguori@us.ibm.com, Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>,
Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PULL 3/5] exec: Support 64-bit operations in address_space_rw
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 16:41:59 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <51E6AD37.9070502@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <51E6AA4A.9020101@twiddle.net>
Il 17/07/2013 16:29, Richard Henderson ha scritto:
> On 07/17/2013 06:45 AM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>>> NAK.
>>>
>>> If you remove the check here, you're just trading it for one in the device.
>>> The device told you that it can't support a 1 byte read. (Either that, or the
>>> device incorrectly reported what it can actually do.)
>>
>> There are two parts to this.
>>
>> First of all, mr->ops->impl.min_access_size is definitely wrong. The
>> device told me that the MMIO functions only know about 2-byte accesses,
>> but that it _can_ support 1-, 2- and 4- byte reads (with coalescing done
>> by memory.c).
>
> I don't know enough about the specific device (or even which device it was)
> to know whether the IMPL and VALID fields are correct.
They are correct. The device was usb-uhci, FWIW.
>> So I could change access_size_min to
>> mr->ops->valid.min_access_size, which would also fix Markus's problem.
>
> No, you can't. At least not without changing all of the callers.
>
> If you do as you suggest, the callers will invoke the device with a value of
> SIZE that is illegal according to IMPL. We might as well crash now than later.
No, it won't. access_with_adjusted_size will take care of taking a size
that IMPL rejects, and producing one or more accesses in a size that
IMPL accepts.
Now of course access_with_adjusted_size may have bugs handling
misaligned addresses. That's possible.
> There are three possible solutions:
>
> (1) Return an error from memory_access_size, change the callers to propagate
> the error in some fashion. This isn't ideal, since in this case VALID
> indicates that the guest access is correct.
Agreed.
> (2) Return the implementation minimum, change the callers to interact with
> the device using that minimum. With this scenario, we should likely
> share code with access_with_adjusted_size.
I think you misunderstand what the impl.*_access_size are.
impl.min/max_access_size is a private interface between the device and
memory.c, to avoid having code all over the place to combine/split MMIO
accesses. The public interface of the device is valid.*_access_size.
>> erroneous accesses must not crash
>> QEMU, they should trigger exceptions in the guest or just return
>> garbage (depending on the CPU).
>
> I completely agree -- if we were talking about VALID. Since this is IMPL, it's
> not an "erroneous access", but rather QEMU not being self-consistent.
Actually, no, for two reasons:
- address_space_rw memory accesses are exactly the same as memory
accesses started by the guest. In many cases, they use addr/range pairs
passed directly by the guest. It is not acceptable to crash on these.
- as said above, impl.*_access_size is not visible outside the device
itself, the public interface of the device is valid.*_access_size.
Paolo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-07-17 14:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-07-14 22:16 [Qemu-devel] [PULL 0/5] alpha-softmmu fixes Richard Henderson
2013-07-14 22:16 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 1/5] hw/alpha: Don't use get_system_io Richard Henderson
2013-07-14 22:16 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 2/5] hw/alpha: Don't machine check on missing pci i/o Richard Henderson
2013-07-14 22:16 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 3/5] exec: Support 64-bit operations in address_space_rw Richard Henderson
2013-07-17 9:50 ` Markus Armbruster
2013-07-17 11:09 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-07-17 13:23 ` Richard Henderson
2013-07-17 13:45 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-07-17 14:29 ` Richard Henderson
2013-07-17 14:41 ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2013-07-17 15:50 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-07-17 17:32 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-07-17 18:26 ` Richard Henderson
2013-07-17 18:57 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-07-17 19:28 ` Richard Henderson
2013-07-17 19:56 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-07-17 20:05 ` Richard Henderson
2013-07-17 18:28 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-07-14 22:16 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 4/5] hw/alpha: Drop latch_tmp hack Richard Henderson
2013-07-14 22:16 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 5/5] hw/alpha: Use SRM epoch Richard Henderson
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