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From: swarren@wwwdotorg.org (Stephen Warren)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v8] reset: Add driver for gpio-controlled reset pins
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 16:24:38 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <51E719A6.6070105@wwwdotorg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130717213836.GA13324@amd.pavel.ucw.cz>

On 07/17/2013 03:38 PM, Pavel Machek wrote:
> On Wed 2013-07-17 10:57:08, Stephen Warren wrote:
>> On 07/16/2013 09:02 PM, Shawn Guo wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 09:45:43AM -0600, Stephen Warren wrote:
>>>> Registering the driver earlier won't cause any bugs. However, it's not
>>>> the correct approach.
>>>>
>>>> Deferred probe /is/ the approach for assuring correct dependencies
>>>> between drivers. It works and should be used. There are not enough
>>>> initcall levels to play games using initcalls and solve all the issues,
>>>> and the ordering requirements vary board-to-board. Deferred probe at
>>>> runtime handles this without having to manually place all the drivers
>>>> into specific initcall levels, and dynamically adjusts to board
>>>> differences, since it all happens automatically at run-time.
>>>
>>> I do not quite follow the argument here.  I agree with you that
>>> deferred probe is the approach to solve dependencies.  But it does not
>>> necessarily mean that initcall can not be used to help it save some
>>> nasty or nested deferring.  Deferred probe and initcalls are not two
>>> mutually exclusive mechanisms but two which can help each other.
>>
>> My understanding is that deferred probe was implemented specifically to
>> avoid having to, or allowing, the use of initcall levels to determine
>> probe order.
>>
>> However, if someone closely associated with the implementation of
>> deferred probe (e.g. Grant, or a device core maintainer) is willing to
>> step up and say I'm wrong, I'll drop my objection.
> 
> AFAIR, defered probing is known to be a "hack" by its authors. We
> should still try to get initcall levels right...

I don't /think/ it was the concept of deferred probe that was considered
hacky, but perhaps just the first proof-of-concept implementation, and
any hackiness was presumably solved before the feature was merged.

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From: Stephen Warren <swarren-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel-ynQEQJNshbs@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Marek Vasut <marex-ynQEQJNshbs@public.gmane.org>,
	Fabio Estevam
	<fabio.estevam-KZfg59tc24xl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>,
	Mike Turquette
	<mturquette-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Len Brown <len.brown-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Sascha Hauer <s.hauer-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw-KKrjLPT3xs0@public.gmane.org>,
	Philipp Zabel <p.zabel-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>,
	devicetree-discuss-uLR06cmDAlY/bJ5BZ2RsiQ@public.gmane.org,
	linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8] reset: Add driver for gpio-controlled reset pins
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 16:24:38 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <51E719A6.6070105@wwwdotorg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130717213836.GA13324-tWAi6jLit6GreWDznjuHag@public.gmane.org>

On 07/17/2013 03:38 PM, Pavel Machek wrote:
> On Wed 2013-07-17 10:57:08, Stephen Warren wrote:
>> On 07/16/2013 09:02 PM, Shawn Guo wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 09:45:43AM -0600, Stephen Warren wrote:
>>>> Registering the driver earlier won't cause any bugs. However, it's not
>>>> the correct approach.
>>>>
>>>> Deferred probe /is/ the approach for assuring correct dependencies
>>>> between drivers. It works and should be used. There are not enough
>>>> initcall levels to play games using initcalls and solve all the issues,
>>>> and the ordering requirements vary board-to-board. Deferred probe at
>>>> runtime handles this without having to manually place all the drivers
>>>> into specific initcall levels, and dynamically adjusts to board
>>>> differences, since it all happens automatically at run-time.
>>>
>>> I do not quite follow the argument here.  I agree with you that
>>> deferred probe is the approach to solve dependencies.  But it does not
>>> necessarily mean that initcall can not be used to help it save some
>>> nasty or nested deferring.  Deferred probe and initcalls are not two
>>> mutually exclusive mechanisms but two which can help each other.
>>
>> My understanding is that deferred probe was implemented specifically to
>> avoid having to, or allowing, the use of initcall levels to determine
>> probe order.
>>
>> However, if someone closely associated with the implementation of
>> deferred probe (e.g. Grant, or a device core maintainer) is willing to
>> step up and say I'm wrong, I'll drop my objection.
> 
> AFAIR, defered probing is known to be a "hack" by its authors. We
> should still try to get initcall levels right...

I don't /think/ it was the concept of deferred probe that was considered
hacky, but perhaps just the first proof-of-concept implementation, and
any hackiness was presumably solved before the feature was merged.

  reply	other threads:[~2013-07-17 22:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-05-30  9:09 [PATCH v8] reset: Add driver for gpio-controlled reset pins Philipp Zabel
2013-05-30  9:09 ` Philipp Zabel
2013-05-30 10:37 ` Pavel Machek
2013-05-30 10:37   ` Pavel Machek
2013-07-16  1:50 ` Shawn Guo
2013-07-16  1:50   ` Shawn Guo
2013-07-16  3:35   ` Stephen Warren
2013-07-16  3:35     ` Stephen Warren
2013-07-16  4:10     ` Shawn Guo
2013-07-16  4:10       ` Shawn Guo
2013-07-16  9:49       ` Philipp Zabel
2013-07-16  9:49         ` Philipp Zabel
2013-07-16 12:56         ` Shawn Guo
2013-07-16 12:56           ` Shawn Guo
2013-07-16 15:45       ` Stephen Warren
2013-07-16 15:45         ` Stephen Warren
2013-07-17  3:02         ` Shawn Guo
2013-07-17  3:02           ` Shawn Guo
2013-07-17 16:57           ` Stephen Warren
2013-07-17 16:57             ` Stephen Warren
2013-07-17 21:38             ` Pavel Machek
2013-07-17 21:38               ` Pavel Machek
2013-07-17 22:24               ` Stephen Warren [this message]
2013-07-17 22:24                 ` Stephen Warren
2013-07-18 11:25                 ` Pavel Machek
2013-07-18 11:25                   ` Pavel Machek
2013-07-18 18:45                   ` Olof Johansson
2013-07-18 18:45                     ` Olof Johansson
2013-07-19  3:23                     ` Shawn Guo
2013-07-19  3:23                       ` Shawn Guo
2013-07-19 15:45                       ` Stephen Warren
2013-07-19 15:45                         ` Stephen Warren
2013-07-22  7:47                         ` Shawn Guo
2013-07-22  7:47                           ` Shawn Guo
2013-07-26 10:26                     ` Philipp Zabel
2013-07-26 10:26                       ` Philipp Zabel
2013-07-18 22:55                   ` Grant Likely
2013-07-18 22:55                     ` Grant Likely
2013-07-18 22:50             ` Grant Likely
2013-07-18 22:50               ` Grant Likely
2013-07-16  9:59     ` Philipp Zabel
2013-07-16  9:59       ` Philipp Zabel
2013-07-16 15:48       ` Stephen Warren
2013-07-16 15:48         ` Stephen Warren
2013-07-16  6:51   ` Shawn Guo
2013-07-16  6:51     ` Shawn Guo
2013-07-16  9:51     ` Philipp Zabel
2013-07-16  9:51       ` Philipp Zabel
2013-07-16 12:15       ` Shawn Guo
2013-07-16 12:15         ` Shawn Guo
2013-07-16 15:47     ` Stephen Warren
2013-07-16 15:47       ` Stephen Warren
2013-07-17  3:43       ` Shawn Guo
2013-07-17  3:43         ` Shawn Guo
2013-07-17  7:17       ` Philipp Zabel
2013-07-17  7:17         ` Philipp Zabel

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