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From: "Andreas Färber" <afaerber@suse.de>
To: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	seabios@seabios.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	"Hervé Poussineau" <hpoussin@reactos.org>,
	"Gerd Hoffmann" <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Marcel Apfelbaum" <marcel.a@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [SeaBIOS] [PATCH] don't expose pvpanic device in the UI
Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 19:53:58 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <52013836.4000601@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130806092027.GK8218@redhat.com>

Am 06.08.2013 11:20, schrieb Gleb Natapov:
> On Tue, Aug 06, 2013 at 10:45:01AM +0200, Andreas Färber wrote:
>> Am 06.08.2013 10:36, schrieb Gleb Natapov:
>>> On Tue, Aug 06, 2013 at 11:33:10AM +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Aug 06, 2013 at 10:21:52AM +0300, Gleb Natapov wrote:
>>>>>> If you see a mouse in a room, how likely is it that there's
>>>>>> a single mouse there?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a PV technology which to me looks like it was
>>>>>> rushed through and not only set on by default, but
>>>>>> without a way to disable it - apparently on the assumption
>>>>>> there's 0 chance it can cause any damage. Now that
>>>>>> we do know the chance it's not there, why not go back
>>>>>> to the standard interface, and why not give
>>>>>> users a chance to enable/disable it?
>>>>> You should be able to disable it with: -device pvpanic,ioport=0
>>>>
>>>> Doesn't work for me.
>>> Bug that should be fixed. With this command line _STA should return
>>> zero.
>>>
>>>> Besides, both -device pvpanic and use of ioport=0 to disable it
>>>> are completely undocumented.
>>>>
>>> Not the only undocumented thing in QEMU command line :)
>> [snip]
>>
>> I disagree: -device adds a device, not removes one. It will still be
>> present.
>>
> I assume you are answering to the quote about ioport=0, not
> documentation here.

Answering to all of i) additional -device pvpanic,ioport=0 to disable
another one, ii) ioport=0 to disable a certain device and iii) either
being an undocumented feature to disable devices. ;)

"Disabled" here referring both to not in PIO/ACPI/etc. and to not
present in the QOM composition tree.

In the end with pvpanic being an ISADevice, this goes back to my large
series for Hervé's i87312 Super I/O chipset, where we discussed what
would be involved in having a reconfigurable ISADevice not listen on
some port/IRQ. We haven't decided on a solution yet (reconfiguring the
i87312 from guest will assert or be ignored), and I strongly disagree to
the solution of ioport=0 magic as general solution - either we should
use realized=false (which then drops any VMStateDescription from
migration) or revive my earlier attempts to add an explicit boolean
ISADevice::enabled state, which would correspond to EEPROM-based
reconfiguration of the plugged-in ISA card. Which of course would only
help ISADevices but not MMIO-based SysBusDevices...

Andreas

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-08-06 17:54 UTC|newest]

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2013-08-05 18:32             ` [Qemu-devel] [SeaBIOS] [PATCH] don't expose pvpanic device in the UI Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-08-06  7:34               ` Gleb Natapov
2013-08-06  8:03                 ` Vadim Rozenfeld
2013-08-06  8:05                   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-08-06  8:14                     ` Vadim Rozenfeld
2013-08-06  8:38                       ` Gleb Natapov
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2013-08-06  8:33                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-08-06  8:36                       ` Gleb Natapov
2013-08-06  8:45                         ` Andreas Färber
2013-08-06  9:15                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-08-06  9:20                           ` Gleb Natapov
2013-08-06 10:04                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-08-06 17:53                             ` Andreas Färber [this message]
2013-08-06  9:56                           ` Markus Armbruster
2013-08-06 10:11                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-08-06  9:21                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-08-06  9:32                           ` Gleb Natapov
2013-08-06 10:19                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-08-06 10:44                               ` Gleb Natapov
2013-08-06 11:03                                 ` Andreas Färber
2013-08-06 11:16                                   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-08-06 11:48                                     ` Markus Armbruster
2013-08-06 12:03                                       ` Gleb Natapov
2013-08-06 12:09                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-08-06 12:45                                     ` Andreas Färber
2013-08-07  8:17                                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-08-06 11:54                                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-08-06 12:08                                   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-08-06 10:35                             ` Andreas Färber
2013-08-06 11:00                               ` Gleb Natapov
2013-08-06 11:23                                 ` Andreas Färber
2013-08-06 12:00                                   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-08-06 12:02                                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-08-06 12:05                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-08-06 12:17                                       ` Gleb Natapov
2013-08-06 17:22                                     ` Andreas Färber
2013-08-06 12:08                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-08-06 12:19                                   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-08-06  9:26                       ` Hu Tao
2013-08-06  9:29                         ` Gleb Natapov
2013-08-06 10:13                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-08-06 10:14                             ` Gleb Natapov
2013-08-06 10:23                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-08-06 10:28                                 ` Gleb Natapov

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