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From: John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Arun Sharma <asharma@fb.com>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Kumar Sundararajan <kumar@fb.com>
Subject: Re: clock_gettime_ns
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 16:20:54 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5227C056.1020604@linaro.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5227BC71.6000907@zytor.com>

On 09/04/2013 04:04 PM, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> On 09/04/2013 03:59 PM, John Stultz wrote:
>> Also, there's been talk of a slewed-leap-second clockid, basically UTC
>> but around the leapsecond it slows down to absorb the extra second. This
>> means that clockid would have a subsecond offset from TAI.
>>
> Most of what I have heard seem to center around abolishing leap seconds
> entirely.  Now, I know that some users do slewed leap seconds as a
> unofficial policy to avoid rare events.
Well, Google does their own slewed leap-seconds internally (using a
modified ntp server to slow CLOCK_REALTIME on clients), and I believe
AIX also provides similar behavior w/ their CLOCK_REALTIME clockid (they
also provide CLOCK_UTC for those who have the need for UTC/leapseconds).
And there's also some occasional talk of trying to standardizing a
leap-second free UTC.

I suspect we have to have an all-of-the-above policy with the kernel. So
we now (as of 3.10) support CLOCK_TAI, as well as the UTC-based
CLOCK_REALTIME. If we can get some agreement on what the
slewed-leapsecond adjustment should look like (have to decide what the
slewing rate/range is: do we absorb the second over the last-hour,
half-hour, 15-minutes before and after?), then we can add such a clockid
(CLOCK_UTC_SLS?) to the kernel as well.

thanks
-john




  reply	other threads:[~2013-09-04 23:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-09-04  9:18 clock_gettime_ns Arun Sharma
2013-09-04 18:51 ` clock_gettime_ns Andy Lutomirski
2013-09-04 19:20   ` clock_gettime_ns John Stultz
2013-09-04 20:33     ` clock_gettime_ns Andy Lutomirski
2013-09-04 20:54       ` clock_gettime_ns John Stultz
2013-09-04 22:29         ` clock_gettime_ns H. Peter Anvin
2013-09-04 22:59           ` clock_gettime_ns John Stultz
2013-09-04 23:04             ` clock_gettime_ns H. Peter Anvin
2013-09-04 23:20               ` John Stultz [this message]
2013-09-04 23:38           ` clock_gettime_ns Andy Lutomirski
2013-09-05  1:22             ` clock_gettime_ns H. Peter Anvin
2013-09-09 17:47               ` clock_gettime_ns Andy Lutomirski
2013-09-11 18:50                 ` clock_gettime_ns Richard Cochran
2013-09-04 19:17 ` clock_gettime_ns John Stultz
2013-09-04 20:23   ` clock_gettime_ns Andy Lutomirski
2013-09-04 20:50     ` clock_gettime_ns John Stultz
2013-09-05  4:45   ` clock_gettime_ns Arun Sharma

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