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From: Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: pkrempa@redhat.com, marcel.a@redhat.com, libvir-list@redhat.com,
	Hu Tao <hutao@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, armbru@redhat.com, rhod@redhat.com,
	kraxel@redhat.com, anthony@codemonkey.ws,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	lcapitulino@redhat.com, lersek@redhat.com, afaerber@suse.de
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] pvpanic plans?
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 08:49:08 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <52726DE4.3090807@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131031144729.GB9948@redhat.com>

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On 10/31/2013 08:47 AM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:

>>>      if (event & PVPANIC_PANICKED) {
>>>          panicked_mon_event("pause");
>>> -        vm_stop(RUN_STATE_GUEST_PANICKED);
>>
>> Don't you still need to halt the guest on a panic event, for management
>> to have a chance to choose what to do about the panic?
> 
> Guest can just call hlt to do this. Most guests do this on a panic
> already.

On the one hand, the fact that the guest already has to inform the host
means we are already trusting the guest behavior on a panic.  On the
other hand, assuming that the guest will ALWAYS halt after triggering a
panic is putting a lot more trust in the guest, compared to qemu
explicitly halting the guest so that management has a chance to choose
to dump the guest's state at the moment the panic was flagged.

The biggest argument for either removing all auto-pvpanic, or reverting
pvpanic altogether, is that no one seems to be actively using pvpanic in
the field yet.  I wish we could get more feedback from Fujitsu as the
original patch authors on what they are looking for in a working
solution, rather than repeatedly second-guessing everything downstream
and delaying the eradication of the buggy behavior even longer.

-- 
Eric Blake   eblake redhat com    +1-919-301-3266
Libvirt virtualization library http://libvirt.org


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  reply	other threads:[~2013-10-31 14:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-22 16:10 [Qemu-devel] pvpanic plans? Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-22 16:44 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-08-22 17:53   ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-22 18:25     ` Anthony Liguori
2013-08-27  8:42       ` Richard W.M. Jones
2013-08-22 19:16     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-22 20:09       ` Anthony Liguori
2013-08-22 20:36         ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-22 20:39           ` Anthony Liguori
2013-08-23  8:52             ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-22 21:08         ` Peter Maydell
2013-08-27  8:06         ` Richard W.M. Jones
2013-08-27 13:08           ` Ronen Hod
2013-08-27 13:20             ` Richard W.M. Jones
2013-08-27 13:26               ` Anthony Liguori
2013-08-27 13:57                 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2013-08-27 13:13       ` [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] " Daniel P. Berrange
2013-08-27 13:17         ` Anthony Liguori
2013-08-27 13:21         ` Richard W.M. Jones
2013-08-22 17:15 ` [Qemu-devel] " Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-22 18:33   ` Anthony Liguori
2013-08-22 19:44     ` Christian Borntraeger
2013-08-22 19:19   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-22 19:41     ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-22 20:02       ` [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] " Eric Blake
2013-10-24  2:39 ` [Qemu-devel] " Hu Tao
2013-10-29 16:01   ` Markus Armbruster
2013-10-31 14:30   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-10-31 14:32     ` Eric Blake
2013-10-31 14:34       ` Anthony Liguori
2013-10-31 14:39       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-10-31 14:52         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-10-31 14:56           ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-10-31 15:09             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-10-31 15:26               ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-10-31 15:45                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-10-31 15:56                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-10-31 16:14                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-10-31 16:17                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-10-31 16:26                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-10-31 16:38                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-10-31 16:48                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-10-31 16:52                               ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-10-31 17:00                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-10-31 17:09                                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-10-31 17:01                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-10-31 17:10                               ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-10-31 17:18                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-10-31 18:03                                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-10-31 16:28                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-10-31 14:47       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-10-31 14:49         ` Eric Blake [this message]
2013-10-31 15:07           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-04  9:25     ` Christian Borntraeger

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