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From: masami.hiramatsu.pt@hitachi.com (Masami Hiramatsu)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v2 10/13] kprobes: Remove uneeded kernel dependency on struct arch_specific_insn
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 19:11:57 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5285F36D.7010708@hitachi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1384438551.3388.78.camel@linaro1.home>

(2013/11/14 23:15), Jon Medhurst (Tixy) wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-11-14 at 11:02 +0900, Masami Hiramatsu wrote:
>> (2013/11/14 2:13), Jon Medhurst (Tixy) wrote:
>>> On Tue, 2013-10-15 at 17:04 -0400, David Long wrote:
>>>> From: "David A. Long" <dave.long@linaro.org>
>>>>
>>>> Instead of depending on include/asm/kprobes.h to provide a dummy definition
>>>> for struct arch_specific_insn, do so in include/linux/kprobes.h.
>>>
>>> That change description doesn't quite seem to quite make sense to me.
>>>
>>> Anyway, what we're trying to do with this patch is to allow us to use
>>> arch_specific_insn for purposes additional to implementing kprobes. This
>>> patch enables that but I'm wary that the kprobes code assumes that ainsn
>>> is a struct arch_specific_insn, e.g. in linux/kernel/kprobes.c we have:
>>>
>>> 	memcpy(&p->ainsn, &ap->ainsn, sizeof(struct arch_specific_insn));
>>>
>>> Now, that code isn't compiled when kprobes isn't configured, but it
>>> seams to me to be safer if that was also changed to 
>>>
>>> 	memcpy(&p->ainsn, &ap->ainsn, sizeof(p->ainsn));
>>
>> This kind of cleanup looks good for me, but I don't agree to change
>> the type of the member (removing is OK) by Kconfig.
> 
> Wouldn't that still require an #ifdef CONFIG_KPROBES around ainsn?
> Admittedly a less ugly one than one to change its type to an int.

Yeah, that's the point.

> 
>>  If you want to
>> change the framework of kprobes and uprobes itself (unification),
>> I'm appreciate to discuss with you and uprobes people, because it
>> will involve all arch dependent code change, *NOT ONLY* the ARM issue.
> 
> Well, I don't think the goal wasn't unification as such. For kprobes on
> ARM we have to decode and simulate pretty much the entire instruction
> set(s) and the attempt to implement uprobes on ARM have tried to make
> use of as much of that as possible. The tricky bit has been as to where
> to try and draw the level of abstraction, and it seems this may well be
> leaking out of the arch specific arena.

I see, I've heard that from Sandeepa who are working on arm64 kprobes.
His patch series now has generic interface of decoder/simulator.

> Bit of background, Dave Long has been working on ARM uprobes based on
> Rabin Vincent's earlier work, and I, as author of a large part of the
> current ARM kprobes code, have been reviewing (not very satisfactorily I
> admit) the bits that impact that. One of my motivations has been to push
> the kprobes instruction decoding to be more generic, rather than special
> casing things to cope with uprobes. This is because I'm aware of the
> reoccurring theme on the ARM lists that it would be good to not have all
> the different methods of instruction decoding, for probes, debug and
> simulation, etc. (I'm sceptical that a one-size-fits-all is possible,
> but consolidation where practical is good).

Same as x86, we still have different code base of kprobes and uprobes
Fortunately, x86 instruction decoder is separated, but single-stepping
and other parts are not well shared.

>>> However, I also wonder if we should instead leave arch_specific_insn as
>>> a kprobes specific structure and on ARM define it in terms of a new more
>>> generic 'struct probe_insn'? The drawback with that is that we'd
>>> probably end up with a struct just containing a single member which
>>> seems a bit redundant:
>>>
>>> struct arch_specific_insn {
>>> 	struct probe_insn pinsn;
>>> };
>>
>> I also disagree it. If you have a plan to integrate uprobes and kprobes
>> arch specific code, please share it with us.
> 
> There's not really a 'plan', just an attempt to reuse the instruction
> decoding code used by kprobes in the implementation of uprobes, i.e. the
> patch series [1] which this mail thread is in reply to.
> 
> [1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1579985

OK, and I think similar method we can use on x86 too. :)
In that case, we may be able to simplify the arch_specific_insn.

Thank you,

-- 
Masami HIRAMATSU
IT Management Research Dept. Linux Technology Center
Hitachi, Ltd., Yokohama Research Laboratory
E-mail: masami.hiramatsu.pt at hitachi.com

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Masami Hiramatsu <masami.hiramatsu.pt@hitachi.com>
To: "Jon Medhurst (Tixy)" <tixy@linaro.org>
Cc: David Long <dave.long@linaro.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Rabin Vincent <rabin@rab.in>, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Srikar Dronamraju <srikar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli <ananth@in.ibm.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Re: [PATCH v2 10/13] kprobes: Remove uneeded kernel dependency on struct arch_specific_insn
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 19:11:57 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5285F36D.7010708@hitachi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1384438551.3388.78.camel@linaro1.home>

(2013/11/14 23:15), Jon Medhurst (Tixy) wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-11-14 at 11:02 +0900, Masami Hiramatsu wrote:
>> (2013/11/14 2:13), Jon Medhurst (Tixy) wrote:
>>> On Tue, 2013-10-15 at 17:04 -0400, David Long wrote:
>>>> From: "David A. Long" <dave.long@linaro.org>
>>>>
>>>> Instead of depending on include/asm/kprobes.h to provide a dummy definition
>>>> for struct arch_specific_insn, do so in include/linux/kprobes.h.
>>>
>>> That change description doesn't quite seem to quite make sense to me.
>>>
>>> Anyway, what we're trying to do with this patch is to allow us to use
>>> arch_specific_insn for purposes additional to implementing kprobes. This
>>> patch enables that but I'm wary that the kprobes code assumes that ainsn
>>> is a struct arch_specific_insn, e.g. in linux/kernel/kprobes.c we have:
>>>
>>> 	memcpy(&p->ainsn, &ap->ainsn, sizeof(struct arch_specific_insn));
>>>
>>> Now, that code isn't compiled when kprobes isn't configured, but it
>>> seams to me to be safer if that was also changed to 
>>>
>>> 	memcpy(&p->ainsn, &ap->ainsn, sizeof(p->ainsn));
>>
>> This kind of cleanup looks good for me, but I don't agree to change
>> the type of the member (removing is OK) by Kconfig.
> 
> Wouldn't that still require an #ifdef CONFIG_KPROBES around ainsn?
> Admittedly a less ugly one than one to change its type to an int.

Yeah, that's the point.

> 
>>  If you want to
>> change the framework of kprobes and uprobes itself (unification),
>> I'm appreciate to discuss with you and uprobes people, because it
>> will involve all arch dependent code change, *NOT ONLY* the ARM issue.
> 
> Well, I don't think the goal wasn't unification as such. For kprobes on
> ARM we have to decode and simulate pretty much the entire instruction
> set(s) and the attempt to implement uprobes on ARM have tried to make
> use of as much of that as possible. The tricky bit has been as to where
> to try and draw the level of abstraction, and it seems this may well be
> leaking out of the arch specific arena.

I see, I've heard that from Sandeepa who are working on arm64 kprobes.
His patch series now has generic interface of decoder/simulator.

> Bit of background, Dave Long has been working on ARM uprobes based on
> Rabin Vincent's earlier work, and I, as author of a large part of the
> current ARM kprobes code, have been reviewing (not very satisfactorily I
> admit) the bits that impact that. One of my motivations has been to push
> the kprobes instruction decoding to be more generic, rather than special
> casing things to cope with uprobes. This is because I'm aware of the
> reoccurring theme on the ARM lists that it would be good to not have all
> the different methods of instruction decoding, for probes, debug and
> simulation, etc. (I'm sceptical that a one-size-fits-all is possible,
> but consolidation where practical is good).

Same as x86, we still have different code base of kprobes and uprobes
Fortunately, x86 instruction decoder is separated, but single-stepping
and other parts are not well shared.

>>> However, I also wonder if we should instead leave arch_specific_insn as
>>> a kprobes specific structure and on ARM define it in terms of a new more
>>> generic 'struct probe_insn'? The drawback with that is that we'd
>>> probably end up with a struct just containing a single member which
>>> seems a bit redundant:
>>>
>>> struct arch_specific_insn {
>>> 	struct probe_insn pinsn;
>>> };
>>
>> I also disagree it. If you have a plan to integrate uprobes and kprobes
>> arch specific code, please share it with us.
> 
> There's not really a 'plan', just an attempt to reuse the instruction
> decoding code used by kprobes in the implementation of uprobes, i.e. the
> patch series [1] which this mail thread is in reply to.
> 
> [1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1579985

OK, and I think similar method we can use on x86 too. :)
In that case, we may be able to simplify the arch_specific_insn.

Thank you,

-- 
Masami HIRAMATSU
IT Management Research Dept. Linux Technology Center
Hitachi, Ltd., Yokohama Research Laboratory
E-mail: masami.hiramatsu.pt@hitachi.com



  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-11-15 10:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-10-15 21:04 [PATCH v2 00/13] uprobes: Add uprobes support for ARM David Long
2013-10-15 21:04 ` David Long
2013-10-15 21:04 ` [PATCH v2 01/13] uprobes: move function declarations out of arch David Long
2013-10-15 21:04   ` David Long
2013-11-05 16:01   ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-11-05 16:01     ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-11-05 18:16     ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-11-05 18:16       ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-11-05 19:01       ` [PATCH] uprobes: Export write_opcode() as uprobe_write_opcode() Oleg Nesterov
2013-11-05 19:01         ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-11-05 19:55         ` David Long
2013-11-05 19:55           ` David Long
2013-11-05 19:13       ` [PATCH v2 01/13] uprobes: move function declarations out of arch David Long
2013-11-05 19:13         ` David Long
2013-10-15 21:04 ` [PATCH v2 02/13] uprobes: allow ignoring of probe hits David Long
2013-10-15 21:04   ` David Long
2013-10-19 17:02   ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-19 17:02     ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-22  3:45     ` David Long
2013-10-22  3:45       ` David Long
2013-10-22 11:25       ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-22 11:25         ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-22 23:56         ` David Long
2013-10-22 23:56           ` David Long
2013-10-28 18:54     ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-28 18:54       ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-30 21:11       ` David Long
2013-10-30 21:11         ` David Long
2013-10-15 21:04 ` [PATCH v2 03/13] uprobes: allow arch access to xol slot David Long
2013-10-15 21:04   ` David Long
2013-10-19 16:36   ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-19 16:36     ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-23  0:03     ` David Long
2013-10-23  0:03       ` David Long
2013-10-29 15:40       ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-29 15:40         ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-11-04 19:49         ` [PATCH] uprobes: introduce arch_uprobe->ixol Oleg Nesterov
2013-11-04 19:49           ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-11-04 21:25           ` David Long
2013-11-04 21:25             ` David Long
2013-11-05 16:04           ` David Long
2013-11-05 16:04             ` David Long
2013-11-05 18:01             ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-11-05 18:01               ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-11-05 18:45               ` David Long
2013-11-05 18:45                 ` David Long
2013-10-15 21:04 ` [PATCH v2 04/13] uprobes: allow arch-specific initialization David Long
2013-10-15 21:04   ` David Long
2013-10-19 16:42   ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-19 16:42     ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-23  1:21     ` David Long
2013-10-23  1:21       ` David Long
2013-10-28 18:58       ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-28 18:58         ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-31 18:41         ` David Long
2013-10-31 18:41           ` David Long
2013-11-01 13:52           ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-11-01 13:52             ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-11-04  3:24             ` David Long
2013-11-04  3:24               ` David Long
2013-10-15 21:04 ` [PATCH v2 05/13] uprobes: add arch write opcode hook David Long
2013-10-15 21:04   ` David Long
2013-10-19 16:50   ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-19 16:50     ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-23 18:20     ` David Long
2013-10-23 18:20       ` David Long
2013-10-28 19:49       ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-28 19:49         ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-29 19:59         ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-29 19:59           ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-11-02  3:33           ` David Long
2013-11-02  3:33             ` David Long
2013-11-02 14:03             ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-11-02 14:03               ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-15 21:04 ` [PATCH v2 06/13] ARM: move shared uprobe/kprobe definitions into new include file David Long
2013-10-15 21:04   ` David Long
2013-10-15 21:04 ` [PATCH v2 07/13] ARM: move generic thumb instruction parsing code to new files for use by other features David Long
2013-11-13 17:09   ` Jon Medhurst (Tixy)
2013-11-13 17:09     ` Jon Medhurst (Tixy)
2013-11-14 14:13     ` David Long
2013-11-14 14:13       ` David Long
2013-10-15 21:04 ` [PATCH v2 08/13] ARM: use a function table for determining instruction interpreter actions David Long
2013-11-13 17:11   ` Jon Medhurst (Tixy)
2013-11-13 17:11     ` Jon Medhurst (Tixy)
2013-11-14 15:17     ` David Long
2013-11-14 15:17       ` David Long
2013-10-15 21:04 ` [PATCH v2 09/13] ARM: Disable jprobe selftests in thumb kernels David Long
2013-10-15 21:04   ` David Long
2013-11-07 17:26   ` Jon Medhurst (Tixy)
2013-11-07 17:26     ` Jon Medhurst (Tixy)
2013-11-10 22:57     ` David Long
2013-11-10 22:57       ` David Long
2013-10-15 21:04 ` [PATCH v2 10/13] kprobes: Remove uneeded kernel dependency on struct arch_specific_insn David Long
2013-10-15 21:04   ` David Long
2013-11-13 17:13   ` Jon Medhurst (Tixy)
2013-11-13 17:13     ` Jon Medhurst (Tixy)
2013-11-14  2:02     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2013-11-14  2:02       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2013-11-14 14:15       ` Jon Medhurst (Tixy)
2013-11-14 14:15         ` Jon Medhurst (Tixy)
2013-11-14 20:33         ` David Long
2013-11-14 20:33           ` David Long
2013-11-15 10:23           ` Masami Hiramatsu
2013-11-15 10:23             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2013-11-15 15:16             ` David Long
2013-11-15 15:16               ` David Long
2013-11-15 10:11         ` Masami Hiramatsu [this message]
2013-11-15 10:11           ` Re: " Masami Hiramatsu
2013-11-14  1:20   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2013-11-14  1:20     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2013-10-15 21:04 ` [PATCH v2 11/13] ARM: Finish renaming ARM kprobes APIs for sharing with uprobes David Long
2013-10-15 21:04   ` David Long
2013-11-13 17:16   ` Jon Medhurst (Tixy)
2013-11-13 17:16     ` Jon Medhurst (Tixy)
2013-11-15 15:45     ` David Long
2013-11-15 15:45       ` David Long
2013-10-15 21:04 ` [PATCH v2 12/13] ARM: add uprobes support David Long
2013-10-15 21:04   ` David Long
2013-10-15 21:04 ` [PATCH v2 13/13] ARM: Remove uprobes dependency on kprobes David Long
2013-10-15 21:04   ` David Long

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