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From: Wang Nan <wangnan0@huawei.com>
To: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>
Cc: kexec@lists.infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Geng Hui <hui.geng@huawei.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Eric Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] ARM: Premit ioremap() to map reserved pages
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 19:55:40 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <52DFB1BC.7080000@huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140122114215.GZ15937@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>

On 2014/1/22 19:42, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 07:25:14PM +0800, Wang Nan wrote:
>> This patch relaxes the restriction set by commit 309caa9cc, which
>> prohibit ioremap() on all kernel managed pages.
>>
>> Other architectures, such as x86 and (some specific platforms of) powerpc,
>> allow such mapping.
>>
>> ioremap() pages is an efficient way to avoid arm's mysterious cache control.
>> This feature will be used for arm kexec support to ensure copied data goes into
>> RAM even without cache flushing, because we found that flush_cache_xxx can't
>> reliably flush code to memory.
> 
> Yes, let's bypass the check and allow this in violation of the
> architecture specification by allowing mapping the same memory with
> different types, which leads to unpredictable behaviour.  Yes, that's
> a very good idea, because what we want to do is far more important than
> following the requirements of the architecture.
> 
> So... NAK.
> 
> Yes, flush_cache_xxx() doesn't flush back to physical RAM, that's not
> what it's defined to do - it's defined that it flushes enough of the
> cache to ensure that page table updates are safe (such as when tearing
> down a page mapping.)  So it's hardly surprising that doesn't work.
> 
> If you want to be able to have DMA access to memory, then you need to
> use an API which has been designed for that purpose, and if there isn't
> one, then you need to discuss your requirements, rather than trying to
> hack around the problem.

So what is correct API which is designed for this propose?

> 
> The issue here will be that the APIs we currently have for DMA become
> extremely expensive when you want to deal with (eg) all system RAM.
> Or, there's flush_cache_all() which should flush all levels of cache
> in the system, and thus push all data back to RAM.
> 
> Now, why are you copying your patches to the stable people?  That makes
> no sense - they haven't been reviewed and they haven't been integrated
> into an existing kernel.  So, they don't meet the basic requirements
> for stable tree submission...
> 



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From: wangnan0@huawei.com (Wang Nan)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH 1/3] ARM: Premit ioremap() to map reserved pages
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 19:55:40 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <52DFB1BC.7080000@huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140122114215.GZ15937@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>

On 2014/1/22 19:42, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 07:25:14PM +0800, Wang Nan wrote:
>> This patch relaxes the restriction set by commit 309caa9cc, which
>> prohibit ioremap() on all kernel managed pages.
>>
>> Other architectures, such as x86 and (some specific platforms of) powerpc,
>> allow such mapping.
>>
>> ioremap() pages is an efficient way to avoid arm's mysterious cache control.
>> This feature will be used for arm kexec support to ensure copied data goes into
>> RAM even without cache flushing, because we found that flush_cache_xxx can't
>> reliably flush code to memory.
> 
> Yes, let's bypass the check and allow this in violation of the
> architecture specification by allowing mapping the same memory with
> different types, which leads to unpredictable behaviour.  Yes, that's
> a very good idea, because what we want to do is far more important than
> following the requirements of the architecture.
> 
> So... NAK.
> 
> Yes, flush_cache_xxx() doesn't flush back to physical RAM, that's not
> what it's defined to do - it's defined that it flushes enough of the
> cache to ensure that page table updates are safe (such as when tearing
> down a page mapping.)  So it's hardly surprising that doesn't work.
> 
> If you want to be able to have DMA access to memory, then you need to
> use an API which has been designed for that purpose, and if there isn't
> one, then you need to discuss your requirements, rather than trying to
> hack around the problem.

So what is correct API which is designed for this propose?

> 
> The issue here will be that the APIs we currently have for DMA become
> extremely expensive when you want to deal with (eg) all system RAM.
> Or, there's flush_cache_all() which should flush all levels of cache
> in the system, and thus push all data back to RAM.
> 
> Now, why are you copying your patches to the stable people?  That makes
> no sense - they haven't been reviewed and they haven't been integrated
> into an existing kernel.  So, they don't meet the basic requirements
> for stable tree submission...
> 

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From: Wang Nan <wangnan0@huawei.com>
To: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>
Cc: kexec@lists.infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Geng Hui <hui.geng@huawei.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Eric Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] ARM: Premit ioremap() to map reserved pages
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 19:55:40 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <52DFB1BC.7080000@huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140122114215.GZ15937@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>

On 2014/1/22 19:42, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 07:25:14PM +0800, Wang Nan wrote:
>> This patch relaxes the restriction set by commit 309caa9cc, which
>> prohibit ioremap() on all kernel managed pages.
>>
>> Other architectures, such as x86 and (some specific platforms of) powerpc,
>> allow such mapping.
>>
>> ioremap() pages is an efficient way to avoid arm's mysterious cache control.
>> This feature will be used for arm kexec support to ensure copied data goes into
>> RAM even without cache flushing, because we found that flush_cache_xxx can't
>> reliably flush code to memory.
> 
> Yes, let's bypass the check and allow this in violation of the
> architecture specification by allowing mapping the same memory with
> different types, which leads to unpredictable behaviour.  Yes, that's
> a very good idea, because what we want to do is far more important than
> following the requirements of the architecture.
> 
> So... NAK.
> 
> Yes, flush_cache_xxx() doesn't flush back to physical RAM, that's not
> what it's defined to do - it's defined that it flushes enough of the
> cache to ensure that page table updates are safe (such as when tearing
> down a page mapping.)  So it's hardly surprising that doesn't work.
> 
> If you want to be able to have DMA access to memory, then you need to
> use an API which has been designed for that purpose, and if there isn't
> one, then you need to discuss your requirements, rather than trying to
> hack around the problem.

So what is correct API which is designed for this propose?

> 
> The issue here will be that the APIs we currently have for DMA become
> extremely expensive when you want to deal with (eg) all system RAM.
> Or, there's flush_cache_all() which should flush all levels of cache
> in the system, and thus push all data back to RAM.
> 
> Now, why are you copying your patches to the stable people?  That makes
> no sense - they haven't been reviewed and they haven't been integrated
> into an existing kernel.  So, they don't meet the basic requirements
> for stable tree submission...
> 


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From: Wang Nan <wangnan0@huawei.com>
To: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>
Cc: <kexec@lists.infradead.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Geng Hui <hui.geng@huawei.com>, <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Eric Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] ARM: Premit ioremap() to map reserved pages
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 19:55:40 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <52DFB1BC.7080000@huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140122114215.GZ15937@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>

On 2014/1/22 19:42, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 07:25:14PM +0800, Wang Nan wrote:
>> This patch relaxes the restriction set by commit 309caa9cc, which
>> prohibit ioremap() on all kernel managed pages.
>>
>> Other architectures, such as x86 and (some specific platforms of) powerpc,
>> allow such mapping.
>>
>> ioremap() pages is an efficient way to avoid arm's mysterious cache control.
>> This feature will be used for arm kexec support to ensure copied data goes into
>> RAM even without cache flushing, because we found that flush_cache_xxx can't
>> reliably flush code to memory.
> 
> Yes, let's bypass the check and allow this in violation of the
> architecture specification by allowing mapping the same memory with
> different types, which leads to unpredictable behaviour.  Yes, that's
> a very good idea, because what we want to do is far more important than
> following the requirements of the architecture.
> 
> So... NAK.
> 
> Yes, flush_cache_xxx() doesn't flush back to physical RAM, that's not
> what it's defined to do - it's defined that it flushes enough of the
> cache to ensure that page table updates are safe (such as when tearing
> down a page mapping.)  So it's hardly surprising that doesn't work.
> 
> If you want to be able to have DMA access to memory, then you need to
> use an API which has been designed for that purpose, and if there isn't
> one, then you need to discuss your requirements, rather than trying to
> hack around the problem.

So what is correct API which is designed for this propose?

> 
> The issue here will be that the APIs we currently have for DMA become
> extremely expensive when you want to deal with (eg) all system RAM.
> Or, there's flush_cache_all() which should flush all levels of cache
> in the system, and thus push all data back to RAM.
> 
> Now, why are you copying your patches to the stable people?  That makes
> no sense - they haven't been reviewed and they haven't been integrated
> into an existing kernel.  So, they don't meet the basic requirements
> for stable tree submission...
> 



  reply	other threads:[~2014-01-22 11:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-01-22 11:25 [PATCH 0/3] Bugfix for kdump on arm Wang Nan
2014-01-22 11:25 ` Wang Nan
2014-01-22 11:25 ` Wang Nan
2014-01-22 11:25 ` Wang Nan
2014-01-22 11:25 ` [PATCH 1/3] ARM: Premit ioremap() to map reserved pages Wang Nan
2014-01-22 11:25   ` Wang Nan
2014-01-22 11:25   ` Wang Nan
2014-01-22 11:25   ` Wang Nan
2014-01-22 11:38   ` Will Deacon
2014-01-22 11:38     ` Will Deacon
2014-01-22 11:38     ` Will Deacon
2014-01-22 11:38     ` Will Deacon
2014-01-22 11:42   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-01-22 11:42     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-01-22 11:42     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-01-22 11:42     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-01-22 11:55     ` Wang Nan [this message]
2014-01-22 11:55       ` Wang Nan
2014-01-22 11:55       ` Wang Nan
2014-01-22 11:55       ` Wang Nan
2014-01-22 11:25 ` [PATCH 2/3] ARM: kexec: copying code to ioremapped area Wang Nan
2014-01-22 11:25   ` Wang Nan
2014-01-22 11:25   ` Wang Nan
2014-01-22 11:25   ` Wang Nan
2014-01-22 12:56   ` Vaibhav Bedia
2014-01-22 13:03     ` Wang Nan
2014-01-22 13:03       ` Wang Nan
2014-01-22 13:03       ` Wang Nan
2014-01-22 13:03       ` Wang Nan
2014-01-22 13:27   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-01-22 13:27     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-01-22 13:27     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-01-22 13:27     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-01-23  2:16     ` Wang Nan
2014-01-23  2:16       ` Wang Nan
2014-01-23  2:16       ` Wang Nan
2014-01-23  2:16       ` Wang Nan
2014-01-22 11:25 ` [PATCH 3/3] ARM: allow kernel to be loaded in middle of phymem Wang Nan
2014-01-22 11:25   ` Wang Nan
2014-01-22 11:25   ` Wang Nan
2014-01-22 11:25   ` Wang Nan
2014-01-23 19:15   ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-01-23 19:15     ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-01-23 19:15     ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-01-23 19:15     ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-01-23 19:31     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-01-23 19:31       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-01-23 19:31       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-01-23 19:31       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-01-23 20:01       ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-01-23 20:01         ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-01-23 20:01         ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-01-23 20:01         ` Nicolas Pitre

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