From: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>
To: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
Cc: kvm-ppc@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/6] KVM: PPC: Book3S PR: Ignore PMU SPRs
Date: Thu, 08 May 2014 12:11:46 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <536B7482.6070407@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140507070952.GA1463@iris.ozlabs.ibm.com>
On 05/07/2014 09:09 AM, Paul Mackerras wrote:
> On Fri, May 02, 2014 at 10:35:09AM +0200, Alexander Graf wrote:
>> On 05/01/2014 12:12 AM, Paul Mackerras wrote:
>>> On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 06:17:37PM +0200, Alexander Graf wrote:
>>>> When we expose a POWER8 CPU into the guest, it will start accessing PMU SPRs
>>>> that we don't emulate. Just ignore accesses to them.
>>>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>
>>> This patch is OK as it stands, but in fact the architecture says that
>>> kernel accesses to unimplemented SPRs are mostly supposed to be no-ops
>>> rather than causing a trap (mostly = excluding mtspr to 0 or mfspr
>> >from 0, 4, 5 or 6). I have a patch to implement that, which I'll
>>> post.
>> I think what we want is a flag similar to x86 where we can force
>> ignore unknown SPRs, but leave it at triggering an interrupt as
>> default. We usually have to be at least aware of unknown SPRs and
>> check that not implementing them is ok for the guest.
>>
>> Debugging a program interrupt because of an unknown SPR is usually a
>> lot easier than debugging a breaking guest because it was using the
>> SPR as storage and we didn't back it by anything.
> That has not been my experience, for accesses by the Linux kernel
> early in the boot process; usually we end up in a loop of ISI
> interrupts because the HPT isn't set up yet, with the original
> interrupt cause (and PC) lost long ago.
>
> The Power ISA was changed in version 2.05 (POWER6) to specify that
> accesses to unimplemented SPRs by privileged code must be no-ops on
> server processors. Before that the architecture allowed either an
> illegal instruction interrupt or "boundedly undefined" behaviour
> (which would include a no-op).
>
> So, if we're emulating POWERx for x >= 6, to be correct we need to do
> the no-op behaviour, even if we retain the option of making them trap
> for debugging purposes. Of course at the moment we basically never
> look at what specific CPU we're emulating, but maybe now we have to.
I think it makes sense to have some more detailed knowledge of the
target CPU we're modeling for other reasons, but for this we should just
settle on either trapping or not trapping by default.
Finding the root cause of an ISI storm is easy when you run traces.
Finding the root cause of a null pointer exception because Linux was
trying to read from somewhere it mfspr()'d before requires quite a bit
more knowledge of what's going on.
Alex
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From: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>
To: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
Cc: kvm-ppc@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/6] KVM: PPC: Book3S PR: Ignore PMU SPRs
Date: Thu, 08 May 2014 14:11:46 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <536B7482.6070407@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140507070952.GA1463@iris.ozlabs.ibm.com>
On 05/07/2014 09:09 AM, Paul Mackerras wrote:
> On Fri, May 02, 2014 at 10:35:09AM +0200, Alexander Graf wrote:
>> On 05/01/2014 12:12 AM, Paul Mackerras wrote:
>>> On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 06:17:37PM +0200, Alexander Graf wrote:
>>>> When we expose a POWER8 CPU into the guest, it will start accessing PMU SPRs
>>>> that we don't emulate. Just ignore accesses to them.
>>>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>
>>> This patch is OK as it stands, but in fact the architecture says that
>>> kernel accesses to unimplemented SPRs are mostly supposed to be no-ops
>>> rather than causing a trap (mostly == excluding mtspr to 0 or mfspr
>> >from 0, 4, 5 or 6). I have a patch to implement that, which I'll
>>> post.
>> I think what we want is a flag similar to x86 where we can force
>> ignore unknown SPRs, but leave it at triggering an interrupt as
>> default. We usually have to be at least aware of unknown SPRs and
>> check that not implementing them is ok for the guest.
>>
>> Debugging a program interrupt because of an unknown SPR is usually a
>> lot easier than debugging a breaking guest because it was using the
>> SPR as storage and we didn't back it by anything.
> That has not been my experience, for accesses by the Linux kernel
> early in the boot process; usually we end up in a loop of ISI
> interrupts because the HPT isn't set up yet, with the original
> interrupt cause (and PC) lost long ago.
>
> The Power ISA was changed in version 2.05 (POWER6) to specify that
> accesses to unimplemented SPRs by privileged code must be no-ops on
> server processors. Before that the architecture allowed either an
> illegal instruction interrupt or "boundedly undefined" behaviour
> (which would include a no-op).
>
> So, if we're emulating POWERx for x >= 6, to be correct we need to do
> the no-op behaviour, even if we retain the option of making them trap
> for debugging purposes. Of course at the moment we basically never
> look at what specific CPU we're emulating, but maybe now we have to.
I think it makes sense to have some more detailed knowledge of the
target CPU we're modeling for other reasons, but for this we should just
settle on either trapping or not trapping by default.
Finding the root cause of an ISI storm is easy when you run traces.
Finding the root cause of a null pointer exception because Linux was
trying to read from somewhere it mfspr()'d before requires quite a bit
more knowledge of what's going on.
Alex
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-05-08 12:11 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-04-29 16:17 [PATCH 0/6] KVM: PPC: Book3S PR: Add POWER8 support Alexander Graf
2014-04-29 16:17 ` Alexander Graf
2014-04-29 16:17 ` [PATCH 1/6] KVM: PPC: Book3S PR: Ignore PMU SPRs Alexander Graf
2014-04-29 16:17 ` Alexander Graf
2014-04-30 22:12 ` Paul Mackerras
2014-04-30 22:12 ` Paul Mackerras
2014-05-02 8:35 ` Alexander Graf
2014-05-02 8:35 ` Alexander Graf
2014-05-07 7:09 ` Paul Mackerras
2014-05-07 7:09 ` Paul Mackerras
2014-05-08 12:11 ` Alexander Graf [this message]
2014-05-08 12:11 ` Alexander Graf
2014-04-29 16:17 ` [PATCH 2/6] KVM: PPC: Book3S PR: Emulate TIR register Alexander Graf
2014-04-29 16:17 ` Alexander Graf
2014-04-30 5:51 ` Michael Neuling
2014-04-30 5:51 ` Michael Neuling
2014-04-30 10:06 ` Alexander Graf
2014-04-30 10:06 ` Alexander Graf
2014-04-29 16:17 ` [PATCH 3/6] KVM: PPC: Book3S PR: Handle Facility interrupt and FSCR Alexander Graf
2014-04-29 16:17 ` Alexander Graf
2014-04-29 16:17 ` [PATCH 4/6] KVM: PPC: Book3S PR: Expose TAR facility to guest Alexander Graf
2014-04-29 16:17 ` Alexander Graf
2014-04-29 16:17 ` [PATCH 5/6] KVM: PPC: Book3S PR: Expose EBB registers Alexander Graf
2014-04-29 16:17 ` Alexander Graf
2014-04-29 16:17 ` [PATCH 6/6] KVM: PPC: Book3S PR: Expose TM registers Alexander Graf
2014-04-29 16:17 ` Alexander Graf
2014-05-17 6:20 ` Paul Mackerras
2014-05-17 6:20 ` Paul Mackerras
2014-05-19 13:09 ` Alexander Graf
2014-05-19 13:09 ` Alexander Graf
2014-05-20 9:59 ` Paul Mackerras
2014-05-20 9:59 ` Paul Mackerras
2014-05-20 11:49 ` Alexander Graf
2014-05-20 11:49 ` Alexander Graf
2014-05-04 16:36 ` [PATCH 0/6] KVM: PPC: Book3S PR: Add POWER8 support Aneesh Kumar K.V
2014-05-04 16:48 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2014-05-05 11:18 ` Alexander Graf
2014-05-05 11:18 ` Alexander Graf
2014-05-05 14:38 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2014-05-05 14:50 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2014-05-05 14:42 ` Alexander Graf
2014-05-05 14:42 ` Alexander Graf
2014-05-05 14:48 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2014-05-05 14:48 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
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