From: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
To: Konstantin Khlebnikov <koct9i@gmail.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: "linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
Roland Dreier <roland@kernel.org>,
Sean Hefty <sean.hefty@intel.com>,
Hal Rosenstock <hal.rosenstock@gmail.com>,
Mike Marciniszyn <infinipath@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/5] VM_PINNED
Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 13:50:47 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <53847C17.2080609@suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALYGNiNCp5ShyKLAQi_cht_-sPt79Zxzj=Q=VSzqCvdnsCE5ag@mail.gmail.com>
On 05/27/2014 01:11 PM, Konstantin Khlebnikov wrote:
> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
>> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 12:29:09PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>>> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 12:49:08AM +0400, Konstantin Khlebnikov wrote:
>>>> Another suggestion. VM_RESERVED is stronger than VM_LOCKED and extends
>>>> its functionality.
>>>> Maybe it's easier to add VM_DONTMIGRATE and use it together with VM_LOCKED.
>>>> This will make accounting easier. No?
>>>
>>> I prefer the PINNED name because the not being able to migrate is only
>>> one of the desired effects of it, not the primary effect. We're really
>>> looking to keep physical pages in place and preserve mappings.
>
> Ah, I just mixed it up.
>
>>>
>>> The -rt people for example really want to avoid faults (even minor
>>> faults), and DONTMIGRATE would still allow unmapping.
>>>
>>> Maybe always setting VM_PINNED and VM_LOCKED together is easier, I
>>> hadn't considered that. The first thing that came to mind is that that
>>> might make the fork() semantics difficult, but maybe it works out.
>>>
>>> And while we're on the subject, my patch preserves PINNED over fork()
>>> but maybe we don't actually need that either.
>>
>> So pinned_vm is userspace exposed, which means we have to maintain the
>> individual counts, and doing the fully orthogonal accounting is 'easier'
>> than trying to get the boundary cases right.
>>
>> That is, if we have a program that does mlockall() and then does the IB
>> ioctl() to 'pin' a region, we'd have to make mm_mpin() do munlock()
>> after it splits the vma, and then do the pinned accounting.
>>
>> Also, we'll have lost the LOCKED state and unless MCL_FUTURE was used,
>> we don't know what to restore the vma to on mm_munpin().
>>
>> So while the accounting looks tricky, it has simpler semantics.
>
> What if VM_PINNED will require VM_LOCKED?
> I.e. user must mlock it before pining and cannot munlock vma while it's pinned.
Mlocking makes sense, as pages won't be uselessly scanned on
non-evictable LRU, no? (Or maybe I just don't see that something else
prevents then from being there already).
Anyway I like the idea of playing nicer with compaction etc.
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From: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
To: Konstantin Khlebnikov <koct9i@gmail.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: "linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
Roland Dreier <roland@kernel.org>,
Sean Hefty <sean.hefty@intel.com>,
Hal Rosenstock <hal.rosenstock@gmail.com>,
Mike Marciniszyn <infinipath@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/5] VM_PINNED
Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 13:50:47 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <53847C17.2080609@suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALYGNiNCp5ShyKLAQi_cht_-sPt79Zxzj=Q=VSzqCvdnsCE5ag@mail.gmail.com>
On 05/27/2014 01:11 PM, Konstantin Khlebnikov wrote:
> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
>> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 12:29:09PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>>> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 12:49:08AM +0400, Konstantin Khlebnikov wrote:
>>>> Another suggestion. VM_RESERVED is stronger than VM_LOCKED and extends
>>>> its functionality.
>>>> Maybe it's easier to add VM_DONTMIGRATE and use it together with VM_LOCKED.
>>>> This will make accounting easier. No?
>>>
>>> I prefer the PINNED name because the not being able to migrate is only
>>> one of the desired effects of it, not the primary effect. We're really
>>> looking to keep physical pages in place and preserve mappings.
>
> Ah, I just mixed it up.
>
>>>
>>> The -rt people for example really want to avoid faults (even minor
>>> faults), and DONTMIGRATE would still allow unmapping.
>>>
>>> Maybe always setting VM_PINNED and VM_LOCKED together is easier, I
>>> hadn't considered that. The first thing that came to mind is that that
>>> might make the fork() semantics difficult, but maybe it works out.
>>>
>>> And while we're on the subject, my patch preserves PINNED over fork()
>>> but maybe we don't actually need that either.
>>
>> So pinned_vm is userspace exposed, which means we have to maintain the
>> individual counts, and doing the fully orthogonal accounting is 'easier'
>> than trying to get the boundary cases right.
>>
>> That is, if we have a program that does mlockall() and then does the IB
>> ioctl() to 'pin' a region, we'd have to make mm_mpin() do munlock()
>> after it splits the vma, and then do the pinned accounting.
>>
>> Also, we'll have lost the LOCKED state and unless MCL_FUTURE was used,
>> we don't know what to restore the vma to on mm_munpin().
>>
>> So while the accounting looks tricky, it has simpler semantics.
>
> What if VM_PINNED will require VM_LOCKED?
> I.e. user must mlock it before pining and cannot munlock vma while it's pinned.
Mlocking makes sense, as pages won't be uselessly scanned on
non-evictable LRU, no? (Or maybe I just don't see that something else
prevents then from being there already).
Anyway I like the idea of playing nicer with compaction etc.
> --
> To unsubscribe, send a message with 'unsubscribe linux-mm' in
> the body to majordomo@kvack.org. For more info on Linux MM,
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-05-27 11:50 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-05-26 14:56 [RFC][PATCH 0/5] VM_PINNED Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-26 14:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-26 14:56 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/5] mm: Introduce VM_PINNED and interfaces Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-26 14:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 1:48 ` Rik van Riel
2014-05-29 1:48 ` Rik van Riel
2014-05-29 8:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-26 14:56 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/5] mm,perf: Make use of VM_PINNED Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-26 14:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-26 14:56 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/5] mm,ib,umem: Use VM_PINNED Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-26 14:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-26 14:56 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/5] mm,ib,ipath: " Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-26 14:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-26 14:56 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/5] mm,ib,qib: " Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-26 14:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-26 20:19 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/5] VM_PINNED Konstantin Khlebnikov
2014-05-26 20:19 ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2014-05-26 20:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-26 20:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-26 20:49 ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2014-05-26 20:49 ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2014-05-27 10:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 10:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 11:11 ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2014-05-27 11:11 ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2014-05-27 11:50 ` Vlastimil Babka [this message]
2014-05-27 11:50 ` Vlastimil Babka
2014-05-27 13:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 13:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 13:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 13:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 14:34 ` Christoph Lameter
2014-05-27 14:34 ` Christoph Lameter
2014-05-27 14:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 14:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 15:14 ` Christoph Lameter
2014-05-27 15:14 ` Christoph Lameter
2014-05-27 15:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 15:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 16:31 ` Christoph Lameter
2014-05-27 16:31 ` Christoph Lameter
2014-05-27 16:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 16:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 16:56 ` Christoph Lameter
2014-05-27 16:56 ` Christoph Lameter
2014-05-27 17:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 17:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 20:00 ` Christoph Lameter
2014-05-27 20:00 ` Christoph Lameter
2014-05-28 6:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-01 10:16 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-08-01 10:16 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
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