From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto-kltTT9wpgjJwATOyAt5JVQ@public.gmane.org>,
Marian Marinov <mm-108MBtLGafw@public.gmane.org>
Cc: "linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
X86 ML <x86-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
Linux API <linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: Pondering per-process vsyscall disablement
Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 14:45:18 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <538658EE.8030809@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrWgtQCRiHt+am8+DoOMVvTuxy05AB6zzg3iAheGs13L6A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
On 05/23/2014 09:40 AM, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>
> I don't think this should be something configured by the
> administrator, unless the administrator is the builder of a kiosky
> thing like Chromium OS. In that case, the administrator can use
> vsyscall=none.
>
> I think this should be handled by either libc or the toolchain, hence
> the suggestions of a syscall or an ELF header.
>
We could mimic the NX stack stuff, but it would have a lot of false
negatives, simply because very few things would actually poke at the
vsyscall page.
The NX stuff uses a dummy program header in the ELF image.
On the other hand, you could make the argument that anything compiled
with a new toolchain simply should not use the vsyscall page, and just
unconditionally set the opt-out bit (header) in question.
It might be better to have some kind of flags field (which a number of
architectures use) than keep using dummy program headers, though.
-hpa
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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>, Marian Marinov <mm@1h.com>
Cc: "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>, Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Pondering per-process vsyscall disablement
Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 14:45:18 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <538658EE.8030809@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrWgtQCRiHt+am8+DoOMVvTuxy05AB6zzg3iAheGs13L6A@mail.gmail.com>
On 05/23/2014 09:40 AM, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>
> I don't think this should be something configured by the
> administrator, unless the administrator is the builder of a kiosky
> thing like Chromium OS. In that case, the administrator can use
> vsyscall=none.
>
> I think this should be handled by either libc or the toolchain, hence
> the suggestions of a syscall or an ELF header.
>
We could mimic the NX stack stuff, but it would have a lot of false
negatives, simply because very few things would actually poke at the
vsyscall page.
The NX stuff uses a dummy program header in the ELF image.
On the other hand, you could make the argument that anything compiled
with a new toolchain simply should not use the vsyscall page, and just
unconditionally set the opt-out bit (header) in question.
It might be better to have some kind of flags field (which a number of
architectures use) than keep using dummy program headers, though.
-hpa
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-05-28 21:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-05-22 23:04 Pondering per-process vsyscall disablement Andy Lutomirski
2014-05-22 23:04 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-05-23 2:44 ` Marian Marinov
[not found] ` <537EB60E.40204-108MBtLGafw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-23 16:40 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-05-23 16:40 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrWgtQCRiHt+am8+DoOMVvTuxy05AB6zzg3iAheGs13L6A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-28 21:45 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2014-05-28 21:45 ` H. Peter Anvin
[not found] ` <538658EE.8030809-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-30 20:00 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-05-30 20:00 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-05-30 20:05 ` H. Peter Anvin
[not found] ` <5388E499.6080101-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-30 20:11 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-05-30 20:11 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrX9s7xJRddB26ZiyjMEGbupbDj2qDHhio=80XSQ+staDA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-30 20:20 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-30 20:20 ` H. Peter Anvin
[not found] ` <5388E814.1080504-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-30 20:35 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-05-30 20:35 ` Andy Lutomirski
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