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From: Pavel Emelyanov <xemul-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Richard Weinberger <richard-/L3Ra7n9ekc@public.gmane.org>
Cc: containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org,
	Serge Hallyn
	<serge.hallyn-GeWIH/nMZzLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	David Howells <dhowells-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Eric W. Biederman"
	<ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	Andrew Morton
	<akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
	Vasily Kulikov <segoon-cxoSlKxDwOJWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	Al Viro <viro-RmSDqhL/yNMiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] /proc/pid/status: show all sets of pid according to ns
Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 14:36:56 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53870DC8.40908@parallels.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <538709A5.60000-/L3Ra7n9ekc@public.gmane.org>

On 05/29/2014 02:19 PM, Richard Weinberger wrote:
> Am 29.05.2014 12:02, schrieb Pavel Emelyanov:
>>>> We need to know what pid namespaces a task lives in and how pid, sid and
>>>> pgid look in all of them. A short example with pids only
>>>
>>> So use case is to checkpoint/restore nested containers? :)
>>
>> Yes, but there's one more scenario. AFAIK some applications create pid namespaces 
>> themselves, without starting what is typically called "a container" :) And when 
>> such an applications are run inside, well ... "more real" container (e.g. using
>> openvz, lxc or docker tools) we face this issue.
> 
> Do you know such an application?

There were a couple of them reported on the criu mailing list, but I didn't
track those :(

> I'm a aware of systemd which uses CLONE_NEWNET/NS to implement security features.

Yup, this is its typical behavior.

> We could add a directory like /proc/<pidX>/ns/proc/ which would contain everything
> from /proc/<pidX inside the namespace>/.

But how would it help to find out which $pid directories correspond to which
to properly collect the pid mappings?

> This needs definitely more discussion and must not solved by ad-hoc solutions.

Absolutely.

Thanks,
Pavel

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From: Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@parallels.com>
To: Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>
Cc: Vasily Kulikov <segoon@openwall.com>,
	<containers@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn@ubuntu.com>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] /proc/pid/status: show all sets of pid according to ns
Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 14:36:56 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53870DC8.40908@parallels.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <538709A5.60000@nod.at>

On 05/29/2014 02:19 PM, Richard Weinberger wrote:
> Am 29.05.2014 12:02, schrieb Pavel Emelyanov:
>>>> We need to know what pid namespaces a task lives in and how pid, sid and
>>>> pgid look in all of them. A short example with pids only
>>>
>>> So use case is to checkpoint/restore nested containers? :)
>>
>> Yes, but there's one more scenario. AFAIK some applications create pid namespaces 
>> themselves, without starting what is typically called "a container" :) And when 
>> such an applications are run inside, well ... "more real" container (e.g. using
>> openvz, lxc or docker tools) we face this issue.
> 
> Do you know such an application?

There were a couple of them reported on the criu mailing list, but I didn't
track those :(

> I'm a aware of systemd which uses CLONE_NEWNET/NS to implement security features.

Yup, this is its typical behavior.

> We could add a directory like /proc/<pidX>/ns/proc/ which would contain everything
> from /proc/<pidX inside the namespace>/.

But how would it help to find out which $pid directories correspond to which
to properly collect the pid mappings?

> This needs definitely more discussion and must not solved by ad-hoc solutions.

Absolutely.

Thanks,
Pavel

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-05-29 10:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-28 10:24 [PATCH v2] /proc/pid/status: show all sets of pid according to ns Chen Hanxiao
2014-05-28 10:24 ` Chen Hanxiao
     [not found] ` <1401272683-1659-1-git-send-email-chenhanxiao-BthXqXjhjHXQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-28 12:44   ` Pavel Emelyanov
2014-05-28 12:44     ` Pavel Emelyanov
     [not found]     ` <5385DA19.2060008-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-28 18:28       ` Vasily Kulikov
2014-05-28 18:28         ` Vasily Kulikov
2014-05-28 19:27         ` Pavel Emelyanov
     [not found]           ` <53863889.9080509-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-29  5:59             ` Vasily Kulikov
2014-05-29  5:59               ` Vasily Kulikov
2014-05-29  9:07               ` Pavel Emelyanov
2014-05-29  9:07                 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2014-05-29  9:21                 ` Richard Weinberger
     [not found]                   ` <5386FC0C.9000307-/L3Ra7n9ekc@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-29  9:41                     ` Pavel Emelyanov
2014-05-29  9:41                       ` Pavel Emelyanov
     [not found]                       ` <538700B5.5070601-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-29  9:54                         ` Richard Weinberger
2014-05-29  9:54                           ` Richard Weinberger
     [not found]                           ` <538703D0.7030308-/L3Ra7n9ekc@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-29 10:02                             ` Pavel Emelyanov
2014-05-29 10:02                               ` Pavel Emelyanov
     [not found]                               ` <5387059E.9010105-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-29 10:19                                 ` Richard Weinberger
2014-05-29 10:19                                   ` Richard Weinberger
     [not found]                                   ` <538709A5.60000-/L3Ra7n9ekc@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-29 10:36                                     ` Pavel Emelyanov [this message]
2014-05-29 10:36                                       ` Pavel Emelyanov
2014-05-29  9:53                 ` chenhanxiao
     [not found]                   ` <5871495633F38949900D2BF2DC04883E52A481-ZEd+hNNJ6a5ZYpXjqAkB5jz3u5zwRJJDAzI0kPv9QBlmR6Xm/wNWPw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-29 10:40                     ` Pavel Emelyanov
2014-05-29 10:40                       ` Pavel Emelyanov
     [not found]                 ` <5386F8EA.8050501-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-29  9:21                   ` Richard Weinberger
2014-05-29  9:53                   ` chenhanxiao-BthXqXjhjHXQFUHtdCDX3A
2014-05-29 11:12                   ` Vasily Kulikov
2014-05-29 11:12                     ` Vasily Kulikov
2014-05-29 11:31                     ` Pavel Emelyanov
2014-05-29 11:31                       ` Pavel Emelyanov
     [not found]                       ` <53871A92.9000004-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-29 11:59                         ` Vasily Kulikov
2014-05-29 11:59                           ` Vasily Kulikov
2014-05-29 12:53                           ` Pavel Emelyanov
2014-05-29 12:53                             ` Pavel Emelyanov
     [not found]                             ` <53872DAD.1070502-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-31  6:07                               ` Vasily Kulikov
2014-05-31  6:07                                 ` Vasily Kulikov
2014-05-31 20:08                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-05-31 20:08                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-05-28 19:27         ` Pavel Emelyanov

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