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From: Santosh Shilimkar <santosh.shilimkar@ti.com>
To: Nicolas Pitre <nicolas.pitre@linaro.org>
Cc: Lorenzo Pieralisi <lorenzo.pieralisi@arm.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 1/6] Documentation: arm: define DT idle states bindings
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 16:55:45 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53A1FCD1.8070703@ti.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.11.1406181641290.16842@knanqh.ubzr>

On Wednesday 18 June 2014 04:51 PM, Nicolas Pitre wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Jun 2014, Santosh Shilimkar wrote:
> 
>> On Wednesday 18 June 2014 01:36 PM, Lorenzo Pieralisi wrote:
>> [..]
>>> +	To correctly specify idle states timing and energy related properties,
>>> +	the following definitions identify the different execution phases
>>> +	a CPU goes through to enter and exit idle states and the implied
>>> +	energy metrics:
>>> +
>>> +	..__[EXEC]__|__[PREP]__|__[ENTRY]__|__[IDLE]__|__[EXIT]__|__[EXEC]__..
>>> +		    |          |           |          |          |
>>> +
>>> +		    |<------ entry ------->|
>>> +		    |       latency        |
>>> +						      |<- exit ->|
>>> +						      |  latency |
>>> +		    |<-------- min-residency -------->|
>>> +			       |<-------  wakeup-latency ------->|
>>> +
>> I don't know the wakeup latency makes much sense and also correct.
>> Hardware wakeup latency is actually exit latency. Is it for failed
>> or abort-able ilde case ? We are adding this as a new parameter
>> at least from idle states perspective. I think we should just
>> avoid it.
> 
> I explained the rationale for this parameter in a previous email but 
> Lorenzo didn't carry it over. To be clearer, this should be "worst case 
> wake-up latency".  It is of interest for PMQOS.  This is the maximum 
> delay that can be expected from the moment a wake-up event is signaled 
> and the moment the CPU is back operational.  This is more than just exit 
> latency.  By default this is entry_latency + exit_latency but when there 
> is an abortable PREP phase then it may be shorter than that.
> 
PMQOS angle is right. It is just that the idle code is not
going to do anything with this value. But I see a value adding it
instead of some one doing calculation.

Thanks for clarity Nico !!

regards,
Santosh


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From: santosh.shilimkar@ti.com (Santosh Shilimkar)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v4 1/6] Documentation: arm: define DT idle states bindings
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 16:55:45 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53A1FCD1.8070703@ti.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.11.1406181641290.16842@knanqh.ubzr>

On Wednesday 18 June 2014 04:51 PM, Nicolas Pitre wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Jun 2014, Santosh Shilimkar wrote:
> 
>> On Wednesday 18 June 2014 01:36 PM, Lorenzo Pieralisi wrote:
>> [..]
>>> +	To correctly specify idle states timing and energy related properties,
>>> +	the following definitions identify the different execution phases
>>> +	a CPU goes through to enter and exit idle states and the implied
>>> +	energy metrics:
>>> +
>>> +	..__[EXEC]__|__[PREP]__|__[ENTRY]__|__[IDLE]__|__[EXIT]__|__[EXEC]__..
>>> +		    |          |           |          |          |
>>> +
>>> +		    |<------ entry ------->|
>>> +		    |       latency        |
>>> +						      |<- exit ->|
>>> +						      |  latency |
>>> +		    |<-------- min-residency -------->|
>>> +			       |<-------  wakeup-latency ------->|
>>> +
>> I don't know the wakeup latency makes much sense and also correct.
>> Hardware wakeup latency is actually exit latency. Is it for failed
>> or abort-able ilde case ? We are adding this as a new parameter
>> at least from idle states perspective. I think we should just
>> avoid it.
> 
> I explained the rationale for this parameter in a previous email but 
> Lorenzo didn't carry it over. To be clearer, this should be "worst case 
> wake-up latency".  It is of interest for PMQOS.  This is the maximum 
> delay that can be expected from the moment a wake-up event is signaled 
> and the moment the CPU is back operational.  This is more than just exit 
> latency.  By default this is entry_latency + exit_latency but when there 
> is an abortable PREP phase then it may be shorter than that.
> 
PMQOS angle is right. It is just that the idle code is not
going to do anything with this value. But I see a value adding it
instead of some one doing calculation.

Thanks for clarity Nico !!

regards,
Santosh

  reply	other threads:[~2014-06-18 20:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-06-11 16:18 [PATCH v4 0/6] ARM generic idle states Lorenzo Pieralisi
2014-06-11 16:18 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2014-06-11 16:18 ` [PATCH v4 1/6] Documentation: arm: define DT idle states bindings Lorenzo Pieralisi
2014-06-11 16:18   ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2014-06-11 18:15   ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-06-11 18:15     ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-06-13 16:49     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2014-06-13 16:49       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2014-06-13 17:33       ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-06-13 17:33         ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-06-16 14:23         ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2014-06-16 14:23           ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2014-06-16 14:48           ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-06-16 14:48             ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-06-18 17:36         ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2014-06-18 17:36           ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2014-06-18 18:20           ` Sebastian Capella
2014-06-18 18:20             ` Sebastian Capella
2014-06-18 19:27           ` Santosh Shilimkar
2014-06-18 19:27             ` Santosh Shilimkar
2014-06-18 20:51             ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-06-18 20:51               ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-06-18 20:55               ` Santosh Shilimkar [this message]
2014-06-18 20:55                 ` Santosh Shilimkar
2014-06-18 21:09                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-06-18 21:09                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-06-18 23:13                   ` Santosh Shilimkar
2014-06-18 23:13                     ` Santosh Shilimkar
2014-06-19  7:33             ` Charles Garcia-Tobin
2014-06-19  7:33               ` Charles Garcia-Tobin
2014-06-19 14:08               ` Santosh Shilimkar
2014-06-19 14:08                 ` Santosh Shilimkar
2014-06-19 15:09                 ` Charles Garcia-Tobin
2014-06-19 15:09                   ` Charles Garcia-Tobin
2014-06-18 21:03           ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-06-18 21:03             ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-06-13 17:40       ` Sebastian Capella
2014-06-13 17:40         ` Sebastian Capella
2014-06-11 16:18 ` [PATCH v4 3/6] drivers: cpuidle: implement OF based idle states infrastructure Lorenzo Pieralisi
2014-06-11 16:18   ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2014-06-11 18:24   ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-06-11 18:24     ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-06-12  8:46     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2014-06-12  8:46       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2014-06-11 18:25   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-06-11 18:25     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-06-12  9:03     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2014-06-12  9:03       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2014-06-13  3:48       ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-06-13  3:48         ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-06-13 17:16         ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2014-06-13 17:16           ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2014-07-06 10:01       ` Paul Burton
2014-07-06 10:01         ` Paul Burton
2014-06-11 18:38   ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-06-11 18:38     ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-06-12  9:19     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2014-06-12  9:19       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2014-06-11 16:18 ` [PATCH v4 4/6] arm64: add PSCI CPU_SUSPEND based cpu_suspend support Lorenzo Pieralisi
2014-06-11 16:18   ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
     [not found] ` <1402503520-8611-1-git-send-email-lorenzo.pieralisi-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-11 16:18   ` [PATCH v4 2/6] Documentation: devicetree: psci: define CPU suspend parameter Lorenzo Pieralisi
2014-06-11 16:18     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2014-06-11 16:18   ` [PATCH v4 5/6] drivers: cpuidle: CPU idle ARM64 driver Lorenzo Pieralisi
2014-06-11 16:18     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2014-06-18 21:34     ` Daniel Lezcano
2014-06-18 21:34       ` Daniel Lezcano
2014-06-19  9:30       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2014-06-19  9:30         ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2014-06-19  3:02     ` Rob Herring
2014-06-19  3:02       ` Rob Herring
2014-06-19  9:08       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2014-06-19  9:08         ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2014-06-11 16:18 ` [PATCH v4 6/6] arm64: boot: dts: update rtsm aemv8 dts with PSCI and idle states Lorenzo Pieralisi
2014-06-11 16:18   ` Lorenzo Pieralisi

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