All of lore.kernel.org
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Stephen Warren <swarren-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
To: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	Olof Johansson <olof-nZhT3qVonbNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: "paul-DWxLp4Yu+b8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org"
	<paul-DWxLp4Yu+b8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman
	<gregkh-hQyY1W1yCW8ekmWlsbkhG0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>,
	Peter De Schrijver
	<pdeschrijver-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"arm-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org"
	<arm-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-tegra-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-tegra-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>,
	Pawel Moll <Pawel.Moll-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL 2/3] ARM: tegra: move fuse code out of arch/arm
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 10:27:25 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53CE90ED.8030900@wwwdotorg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140722102749.GB2219-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>

On 07/22/2014 04:27 AM, Catalin Marinas wrote:
...
> ...It's also aimed at
> pushing back on hardware people who think they can mess up, for example,
> a GIC implementation because the rest is just software and you can
> always add #ifdefs.

I'm very concerned about this statement.

Yes, it would be nice if all HW was sanely designed, but it's not
always. The time to push back on bad HW design is during IP licensing
agreements or HW design reviews, not upstreaming.

Any pushback during SW upstreaming simply serves to make it difficult
for the SW people doing the upstreaming. It has zero impact on the
current HW design (it's already shipped). It probably has zero impact on
the next N revisions of the HW (they're already baked). It's possible it
has zero-to-minimal impact on any future HW (end-user product
requirements are what matter most).

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: swarren@wwwdotorg.org (Stephen Warren)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [GIT PULL 2/3] ARM: tegra: move fuse code out of arch/arm
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 10:27:25 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53CE90ED.8030900@wwwdotorg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140722102749.GB2219@arm.com>

On 07/22/2014 04:27 AM, Catalin Marinas wrote:
...
> ...It's also aimed at
> pushing back on hardware people who think they can mess up, for example,
> a GIC implementation because the rest is just software and you can
> always add #ifdefs.

I'm very concerned about this statement.

Yes, it would be nice if all HW was sanely designed, but it's not
always. The time to push back on bad HW design is during IP licensing
agreements or HW design reviews, not upstreaming.

Any pushback during SW upstreaming simply serves to make it difficult
for the SW people doing the upstreaming. It has zero impact on the
current HW design (it's already shipped). It probably has zero impact on
the next N revisions of the HW (they're already baked). It's possible it
has zero-to-minimal impact on any future HW (end-user product
requirements are what matter most).

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-07-22 16:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-06-23 21:23 [GIT PULL 1/3] ARM: tegra: rework PCIe regulators Stephen Warren
2014-06-23 21:23 ` Stephen Warren
     [not found] ` <1403558626-13422-1-git-send-email-swarren-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-23 21:23   ` [GIT PULL 2/3] ARM: tegra: move fuse code out of arch/arm Stephen Warren
2014-06-23 21:23     ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]     ` <1403558626-13422-2-git-send-email-swarren-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-07-07  0:44       ` Olof Johansson
2014-07-07  0:44         ` Olof Johansson
     [not found]         ` <20140707004417.GE8469-O5ziIzlqnXUVNXGz7ipsyg@public.gmane.org>
2014-07-08 13:43           ` Peter De Schrijver
2014-07-08 13:43             ` Peter De Schrijver
     [not found]             ` <20140708134359.GA23218-Rysk9IDjsxmJz7etNGeUX8VPkgjIgRvpAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2014-07-08 17:47               ` Olof Johansson
2014-07-08 17:47                 ` Olof Johansson
     [not found]                 ` <CAOesGMhoqvqf-dktp-OfUNTPLahPwkyAPiTeDngr4QjH=VfOGA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-07-09 11:16                   ` Peter De Schrijver
2014-07-09 11:16                     ` Peter De Schrijver
     [not found]                     ` <20140709111633.GG23218-Rysk9IDjsxmJz7etNGeUX8VPkgjIgRvpAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2014-07-09 12:50                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-07-09 12:50                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-07-11 12:56                   ` Thierry Reding
2014-07-11 12:56                     ` Thierry Reding
2014-07-18  2:45                   ` Stephen Warren
2014-07-18  2:45                     ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                     ` <53C88A4C.3070304-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-07-18  5:33                       ` Olof Johansson
2014-07-18  5:33                         ` Olof Johansson
     [not found]                         ` <CAOesGMh+zLV781wzdR5=_Bpzh+XMwJfWL-5XMDP6DwG_Hg80kw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-07-21 15:06                           ` Stephen Warren
2014-07-21 15:06                             ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                             ` <53CD2C58.6060601-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-07-21 15:54                               ` Catalin Marinas
2014-07-21 15:54                                 ` Catalin Marinas
     [not found]                                 ` <20140721155451.GF32578-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-07-21 16:14                                   ` Pawel Moll
2014-07-21 16:14                                     ` Pawel Moll
2014-07-21 16:38                                   ` Stephen Warren
2014-07-21 16:38                                     ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                                     ` <53CD4201.5070705-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-07-21 16:46                                       ` Olof Johansson
2014-07-21 16:46                                         ` Olof Johansson
     [not found]                                         ` <CAOesGMgvd1HbjywN7BDPtr8ZU7vucWH48B=AW3TZjng73YA8WA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-07-21 17:00                                           ` [PATCH] platform: Make platform_bus device a platform device Pawel Moll
2014-07-21 17:00                                             ` Pawel Moll
     [not found]                                             ` <1405962034-25482-1-git-send-email-pawel.moll-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-07-21 18:40                                               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-07-21 18:40                                                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]                                                 ` <20140721184007.GB572-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-07-22 10:02                                                   ` [PATCH v2] " Pawel Moll
2014-07-22 10:02                                                     ` Pawel Moll
     [not found]                                                     ` <1406023327-18525-1-git-send-email-pawel.moll-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-07-22 17:10                                                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-07-22 17:10                                                         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]                                                         ` <20140722171013.GA6605-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-07-22 17:30                                                           ` Pawel Moll
2014-07-22 17:30                                                             ` Pawel Moll
2014-07-22 17:37                                                             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-07-22 17:37                                                               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]                                                               ` <20140722173713.GA8959-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-07-22 17:55                                                                 ` [PATCH v3] " Pawel Moll
2014-07-22 17:55                                                                   ` Pawel Moll
     [not found]                                                                   ` <1406051719-17354-1-git-send-email-pawel.moll-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-07-22 18:01                                                                     ` Pawel Moll
2014-07-22 18:01                                                                       ` Pawel Moll
2014-07-22 18:15                                                                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-07-22 18:15                                                                         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]                                                                         ` <20140722181505.GA9898-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-07-23 17:16                                                                           ` Pawel Moll
2014-07-23 17:16                                                                             ` Pawel Moll
2014-07-23 19:34                                                                             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-07-23 19:34                                                                               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]                                                                               ` <20140723193434.GA31983-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-07-24 17:12                                                                                 ` Pawel Moll
2014-07-24 17:12                                                                                   ` Pawel Moll
2014-07-22 19:46                                                                     ` Olof Johansson
2014-07-22 19:46                                                                       ` Olof Johansson
     [not found]                                                                       ` <CAOesGMgya9i=zc_AVO_mgrC_FjYz-RWxwXguNueVA=7gpq=5sA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-07-23 14:26                                                                         ` Pawel Moll
2014-07-23 14:26                                                                           ` Pawel Moll
2014-07-22 22:16                                                                     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-07-22 22:16                                                                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]                                                                       ` <20140722221619.GA15781-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-07-23 14:27                                                                         ` Pawel Moll
2014-07-23 14:27                                                                           ` Pawel Moll
2014-07-22 10:27                                           ` [GIT PULL 2/3] ARM: tegra: move fuse code out of arch/arm Catalin Marinas
2014-07-22 10:27                                             ` Catalin Marinas
     [not found]                                             ` <20140722102749.GB2219-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-07-22 16:27                                               ` Stephen Warren [this message]
2014-07-22 16:27                                                 ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                                                 ` <53CE90ED.8030900-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-07-22 16:54                                                   ` Catalin Marinas
2014-07-22 16:54                                                     ` Catalin Marinas
2014-07-22 11:26                                       ` Catalin Marinas
2014-07-22 11:26                                         ` Catalin Marinas
     [not found]                                         ` <20140722112651.GC2219-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-07-22 16:22                                           ` Stephen Warren
2014-07-22 16:22                                             ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                                             ` <53CE8FB1.4060307-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-07-22 17:04                                               ` Catalin Marinas
2014-07-22 17:04                                                 ` Catalin Marinas
2014-07-18  2:44               ` Stephen Warren
2014-07-18  2:44                 ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                 ` <53C889FF.4070206-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-07-18  5:33                   ` Olof Johansson
2014-07-18  5:33                     ` Olof Johansson
2014-06-23 21:23   ` [GIT PULL 3/3] ARM: tegra: use us counter as delay timer Stephen Warren
2014-06-23 21:23     ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]     ` <1403558626-13422-3-git-send-email-swarren-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-07-07  0:49       ` Olof Johansson
2014-07-07  0:49         ` Olof Johansson
2014-07-07  0:38   ` [GIT PULL 1/3] ARM: tegra: rework PCIe regulators Olof Johansson
2014-07-07  0:38     ` Olof Johansson
     [not found]     ` <20140707003854.GD8469-O5ziIzlqnXUVNXGz7ipsyg@public.gmane.org>
2014-07-07  5:52       ` Thierry Reding
2014-07-07  5:52         ` Thierry Reding
2014-07-08  4:45         ` Olof Johansson
2014-07-08  4:45           ` Olof Johansson
     [not found]           ` <CAOesGMjwE=xThuUwmBF02YaQ32_uFogryW5anNoGc8yfkuN_Pg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-07-10 10:15             ` Thierry Reding
2014-07-10 10:15               ` Thierry Reding
2014-07-17 14:20               ` Thierry Reding
2014-07-17 14:20                 ` Thierry Reding
2014-07-17 17:52                 ` Olof Johansson
2014-07-17 17:52                   ` Olof Johansson
2014-07-18  2:47       ` Stephen Warren
2014-07-18  2:47         ` Stephen Warren

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=53CE90ED.8030900@wwwdotorg.org \
    --to=swarren-3lzwwm7+weoh9zmkesr00q@public.gmane.org \
    --cc=Pawel.Moll-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org \
    --cc=arm-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org \
    --cc=arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org \
    --cc=catalin.marinas-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org \
    --cc=gregkh-hQyY1W1yCW8ekmWlsbkhG0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org \
    --cc=linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org \
    --cc=linux-tegra-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org \
    --cc=olof-nZhT3qVonbNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org \
    --cc=paul-DWxLp4Yu+b8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org \
    --cc=pdeschrijver-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.