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* [PATCH v2] add native DSD support for XMOS based DACs
@ 2014-09-05 12:24 Jurgen Kramer
  2014-09-05 13:36 ` Takashi Iwai
  2014-09-05 15:26 ` Clemens Ladisch
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Jurgen Kramer @ 2014-09-05 12:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: alsa-devel; +Cc: Jurgen Kramer

Add quirks for XMOS based DACs for native DSD playback support using the new
DSD_U32_LE sample format.

This version adds native DSD support for:
- iFi Audio micro iDSD/nano iDSD (they use the same prod. id)
- DIYINHK USB to I2S/DSD converter

Changes from v1:
- use specific product id and alt setting per XMOS based device

Signed-off-by: Jurgen Kramer <gtmkramer@xs4all.nl>
---
 sound/usb/quirks.c | 15 +++++++++++++++
 1 file changed, 15 insertions(+)

diff --git a/sound/usb/quirks.c b/sound/usb/quirks.c
index 19a921e..5ae0536 100644
--- a/sound/usb/quirks.c
+++ b/sound/usb/quirks.c
@@ -1174,5 +1174,20 @@ u64 snd_usb_interface_dsd_format_quirks(struct snd_usb_audio *chip,
 		}
 	}
 
+	/* XMOS based USB DACs */
+	if (le16_to_cpu(chip->dev->descriptor.idVendor) == 0x20b1) {
+		switch (le16_to_cpu(chip->dev->descriptor.idProduct)) {
+		/* iFi Audio micro/nano iDSD */
+		case 0x3008:
+			if (fp->altsetting == 2)
+				return SNDRV_PCM_FMTBIT_DSD_U32_LE;
+		/* DIYINHK DSD DXD 384kHz USB to I2S/DSD */
+		case 0x2009:
+			if (fp->altsetting == 3)
+				return SNDRV_PCM_FMTBIT_DSD_U32_LE;
+		default:
+			return 0;
+		}
+	}
 	return 0;
 }
-- 
1.9.3

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* Re: [PATCH v2] add native DSD support for XMOS based DACs
  2014-09-05 12:24 [PATCH v2] add native DSD support for XMOS based DACs Jurgen Kramer
@ 2014-09-05 13:36 ` Takashi Iwai
  2014-09-05 13:58   ` Jurgen Kramer
  2014-09-05 15:26 ` Clemens Ladisch
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Takashi Iwai @ 2014-09-05 13:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jurgen Kramer; +Cc: alsa-devel

At Fri,  5 Sep 2014 14:24:57 +0200,
Jurgen Kramer wrote:
> 
> Add quirks for XMOS based DACs for native DSD playback support using the new
> DSD_U32_LE sample format.
> 
> This version adds native DSD support for:
> - iFi Audio micro iDSD/nano iDSD (they use the same prod. id)
> - DIYINHK USB to I2S/DSD converter
> 
> Changes from v1:
> - use specific product id and alt setting per XMOS based device
> 
> Signed-off-by: Jurgen Kramer <gtmkramer@xs4all.nl>
> ---
>  sound/usb/quirks.c | 15 +++++++++++++++
>  1 file changed, 15 insertions(+)
> 
> diff --git a/sound/usb/quirks.c b/sound/usb/quirks.c
> index 19a921e..5ae0536 100644
> --- a/sound/usb/quirks.c
> +++ b/sound/usb/quirks.c
> @@ -1174,5 +1174,20 @@ u64 snd_usb_interface_dsd_format_quirks(struct snd_usb_audio *chip,
>  		}
>  	}
>  
> +	/* XMOS based USB DACs */
> +	if (le16_to_cpu(chip->dev->descriptor.idVendor) == 0x20b1) {
> +		switch (le16_to_cpu(chip->dev->descriptor.idProduct)) {
> +		/* iFi Audio micro/nano iDSD */
> +		case 0x3008:
> +			if (fp->altsetting == 2)
> +				return SNDRV_PCM_FMTBIT_DSD_U32_LE;

Missing break?

> +		/* DIYINHK DSD DXD 384kHz USB to I2S/DSD */
> +		case 0x2009:
> +			if (fp->altsetting == 3)
> +				return SNDRV_PCM_FMTBIT_DSD_U32_LE;

Ditto.

> +		default:
> +			return 0;
> +		}
> +	}
>  	return 0;
>  }
> -- 
> 1.9.3


Takashi

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* Re: [PATCH v2] add native DSD support for XMOS based DACs
  2014-09-05 13:36 ` Takashi Iwai
@ 2014-09-05 13:58   ` Jurgen Kramer
  2014-09-05 14:27     ` Takashi Iwai
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Jurgen Kramer @ 2014-09-05 13:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Takashi Iwai; +Cc: alsa-devel

On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 15:36 +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> At Fri,  5 Sep 2014 14:24:57 +0200,
> Jurgen Kramer wrote:
> > 
> > Add quirks for XMOS based DACs for native DSD playback support using the new
> > DSD_U32_LE sample format.
> > 
> > This version adds native DSD support for:
> > - iFi Audio micro iDSD/nano iDSD (they use the same prod. id)
> > - DIYINHK USB to I2S/DSD converter
> > 
> > Changes from v1:
> > - use specific product id and alt setting per XMOS based device
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Jurgen Kramer <gtmkramer@xs4all.nl>
> > ---
> >  sound/usb/quirks.c | 15 +++++++++++++++
> >  1 file changed, 15 insertions(+)
> > 
> > diff --git a/sound/usb/quirks.c b/sound/usb/quirks.c
> > index 19a921e..5ae0536 100644
> > --- a/sound/usb/quirks.c
> > +++ b/sound/usb/quirks.c
> > @@ -1174,5 +1174,20 @@ u64 snd_usb_interface_dsd_format_quirks(struct snd_usb_audio *chip,
> >  		}
> >  	}
> >  
> > +	/* XMOS based USB DACs */
> > +	if (le16_to_cpu(chip->dev->descriptor.idVendor) == 0x20b1) {
> > +		switch (le16_to_cpu(chip->dev->descriptor.idProduct)) {
> > +		/* iFi Audio micro/nano iDSD */
> > +		case 0x3008:
> > +			if (fp->altsetting == 2)
> > +				return SNDRV_PCM_FMTBIT_DSD_U32_LE;
> 
> Missing break?
It is already returning. Where would the break go?
> 
> > +		/* DIYINHK DSD DXD 384kHz USB to I2S/DSD */
> > +		case 0x2009:
> > +			if (fp->altsetting == 3)
> > +				return SNDRV_PCM_FMTBIT_DSD_U32_LE;
> 
> Ditto.
See above.
> 
> > +		default:
> > +			return 0;
> > +		}
> > +	}
> >  	return 0;
> >  }
> > -- 
Jurgen

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* Re: [PATCH v2] add native DSD support for XMOS based DACs
  2014-09-05 13:58   ` Jurgen Kramer
@ 2014-09-05 14:27     ` Takashi Iwai
  2014-09-05 14:37       ` Jurgen Kramer
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Takashi Iwai @ 2014-09-05 14:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jurgen Kramer; +Cc: alsa-devel

At Fri, 05 Sep 2014 15:58:39 +0200,
Jurgen Kramer wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 15:36 +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > At Fri,  5 Sep 2014 14:24:57 +0200,
> > Jurgen Kramer wrote:
> > > 
> > > Add quirks for XMOS based DACs for native DSD playback support using the new
> > > DSD_U32_LE sample format.
> > > 
> > > This version adds native DSD support for:
> > > - iFi Audio micro iDSD/nano iDSD (they use the same prod. id)
> > > - DIYINHK USB to I2S/DSD converter
> > > 
> > > Changes from v1:
> > > - use specific product id and alt setting per XMOS based device
> > > 
> > > Signed-off-by: Jurgen Kramer <gtmkramer@xs4all.nl>
> > > ---
> > >  sound/usb/quirks.c | 15 +++++++++++++++
> > >  1 file changed, 15 insertions(+)
> > > 
> > > diff --git a/sound/usb/quirks.c b/sound/usb/quirks.c
> > > index 19a921e..5ae0536 100644
> > > --- a/sound/usb/quirks.c
> > > +++ b/sound/usb/quirks.c
> > > @@ -1174,5 +1174,20 @@ u64 snd_usb_interface_dsd_format_quirks(struct snd_usb_audio *chip,
> > >  		}
> > >  	}
> > >  
> > > +	/* XMOS based USB DACs */
> > > +	if (le16_to_cpu(chip->dev->descriptor.idVendor) == 0x20b1) {
> > > +		switch (le16_to_cpu(chip->dev->descriptor.idProduct)) {
> > > +		/* iFi Audio micro/nano iDSD */
> > > +		case 0x3008:
> > > +			if (fp->altsetting == 2)
> > > +				return SNDRV_PCM_FMTBIT_DSD_U32_LE;
> > 
> > Missing break?
> It is already returning. Where would the break go?

What if fp->altsetting == 3 with 20b1:3008 chip?
Then it falls down to below, and return SNDRV_PCM_FMTBIT_DSD_U32_LE.
Is this expected?

> > 
> > > +		/* DIYINHK DSD DXD 384kHz USB to I2S/DSD */
> > > +		case 0x2009:
> > > +			if (fp->altsetting == 3)
> > > +				return SNDRV_PCM_FMTBIT_DSD_U32_LE;
> > 
> > Ditto.
> See above.

If the fallthrough is intentional, you *must* put a comment it's
really a fallthrough.


Takashi

> > 
> > > +		default:
> > > +			return 0;
> > > +		}
> > > +	}
> > >  	return 0;
> > >  }
> > > -- 
> Jurgen
> 

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* Re: [PATCH v2] add native DSD support for XMOS based DACs
  2014-09-05 14:27     ` Takashi Iwai
@ 2014-09-05 14:37       ` Jurgen Kramer
  2014-09-05 14:51         ` Takashi Iwai
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Jurgen Kramer @ 2014-09-05 14:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Takashi Iwai; +Cc: alsa-devel

On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 16:27 +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> At Fri, 05 Sep 2014 15:58:39 +0200,
> Jurgen Kramer wrote:
> > 
> > On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 15:36 +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > > At Fri,  5 Sep 2014 14:24:57 +0200,
> > > Jurgen Kramer wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Add quirks for XMOS based DACs for native DSD playback support using the new
> > > > DSD_U32_LE sample format.
> > > > 
> > > > This version adds native DSD support for:
> > > > - iFi Audio micro iDSD/nano iDSD (they use the same prod. id)
> > > > - DIYINHK USB to I2S/DSD converter
> > > > 
> > > > Changes from v1:
> > > > - use specific product id and alt setting per XMOS based device
> > > > 
> > > > Signed-off-by: Jurgen Kramer <gtmkramer@xs4all.nl>
> > > > ---
> > > >  sound/usb/quirks.c | 15 +++++++++++++++
> > > >  1 file changed, 15 insertions(+)
> > > > 
> > > > diff --git a/sound/usb/quirks.c b/sound/usb/quirks.c
> > > > index 19a921e..5ae0536 100644
> > > > --- a/sound/usb/quirks.c
> > > > +++ b/sound/usb/quirks.c
> > > > @@ -1174,5 +1174,20 @@ u64 snd_usb_interface_dsd_format_quirks(struct snd_usb_audio *chip,
> > > >  		}
> > > >  	}
> > > >  
> > > > +	/* XMOS based USB DACs */
> > > > +	if (le16_to_cpu(chip->dev->descriptor.idVendor) == 0x20b1) {
> > > > +		switch (le16_to_cpu(chip->dev->descriptor.idProduct)) {
> > > > +		/* iFi Audio micro/nano iDSD */
> > > > +		case 0x3008:
> > > > +			if (fp->altsetting == 2)
> > > > +				return SNDRV_PCM_FMTBIT_DSD_U32_LE;
> > > 
> > > Missing break?
> > It is already returning. Where would the break go?
> 
> What if fp->altsetting == 3 with 20b1:3008 chip?
> Then it falls down to below, and return SNDRV_PCM_FMTBIT_DSD_U32_LE.
> Is this expected?
With fp->altsetting == 3 for 20b1:3008 I do not see it returning
SNDRV_PCM_FMTBIT_DSD_U32_LE, it falls through to 'return 0'.

However, would this be more appropriate/readable?:

case 0x3008:
	if (fp->altsetting == 2)
		return SNDRV_PCM_FMTBIT_DSD_U32_LE;
	else
		break;

or even:

case 0x3008:
	if (fp->altsetting == 2)
		return SNDRV_PCM_FMTBIT_DSD_U32_LE;
	else
		return 0;

> > > 
> > > > +		/* DIYINHK DSD DXD 384kHz USB to I2S/DSD */
> > > > +		case 0x2009:
> > > > +			if (fp->altsetting == 3)
> > > > +				return SNDRV_PCM_FMTBIT_DSD_U32_LE;
> > > 
> > > Ditto.
> > See above.
> 
> If the fallthrough is intentional, you *must* put a comment it's
> really a fallthrough.
> 
> 
Jurgen

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* Re: [PATCH v2] add native DSD support for XMOS based DACs
  2014-09-05 14:37       ` Jurgen Kramer
@ 2014-09-05 14:51         ` Takashi Iwai
  2014-09-05 15:03           ` Jurgen Kramer
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Takashi Iwai @ 2014-09-05 14:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jurgen Kramer; +Cc: alsa-devel

At Fri, 05 Sep 2014 16:37:13 +0200,
Jurgen Kramer wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 16:27 +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > At Fri, 05 Sep 2014 15:58:39 +0200,
> > Jurgen Kramer wrote:
> > > 
> > > On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 15:36 +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > > > At Fri,  5 Sep 2014 14:24:57 +0200,
> > > > Jurgen Kramer wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > Add quirks for XMOS based DACs for native DSD playback support using the new
> > > > > DSD_U32_LE sample format.
> > > > > 
> > > > > This version adds native DSD support for:
> > > > > - iFi Audio micro iDSD/nano iDSD (they use the same prod. id)
> > > > > - DIYINHK USB to I2S/DSD converter
> > > > > 
> > > > > Changes from v1:
> > > > > - use specific product id and alt setting per XMOS based device
> > > > > 
> > > > > Signed-off-by: Jurgen Kramer <gtmkramer@xs4all.nl>
> > > > > ---
> > > > >  sound/usb/quirks.c | 15 +++++++++++++++
> > > > >  1 file changed, 15 insertions(+)
> > > > > 
> > > > > diff --git a/sound/usb/quirks.c b/sound/usb/quirks.c
> > > > > index 19a921e..5ae0536 100644
> > > > > --- a/sound/usb/quirks.c
> > > > > +++ b/sound/usb/quirks.c
> > > > > @@ -1174,5 +1174,20 @@ u64 snd_usb_interface_dsd_format_quirks(struct snd_usb_audio *chip,
> > > > >  		}
> > > > >  	}
> > > > >  
> > > > > +	/* XMOS based USB DACs */
> > > > > +	if (le16_to_cpu(chip->dev->descriptor.idVendor) == 0x20b1) {
> > > > > +		switch (le16_to_cpu(chip->dev->descriptor.idProduct)) {
> > > > > +		/* iFi Audio micro/nano iDSD */
> > > > > +		case 0x3008:
> > > > > +			if (fp->altsetting == 2)
> > > > > +				return SNDRV_PCM_FMTBIT_DSD_U32_LE;
> > > > 
> > > > Missing break?
> > > It is already returning. Where would the break go?
> > 
> > What if fp->altsetting == 3 with 20b1:3008 chip?
> > Then it falls down to below, and return SNDRV_PCM_FMTBIT_DSD_U32_LE.
> > Is this expected?
> With fp->altsetting == 3 for 20b1:3008 I do not see it returning
> SNDRV_PCM_FMTBIT_DSD_U32_LE, it falls through to 'return 0'.

Well, read your C text book carefully again :)

The tricky part of switch/case behavior is that it falls through to
the next case, not going out of switch block.

> However, would this be more appropriate/readable?:
> 
> case 0x3008:
> 	if (fp->altsetting == 2)
> 		return SNDRV_PCM_FMTBIT_DSD_U32_LE;
> 	else
> 		break;

Just put break.  The standard form of switch/case is like:

	switch (cond) {
	case xxx:
		if (something)
			return abc;
		break;
	case yyy:
		if (another)
			return def;
		break;
	default:
		break;
	}

	return 0;


Takashi


> 
> or even:
> 
> case 0x3008:
> 	if (fp->altsetting == 2)
> 		return SNDRV_PCM_FMTBIT_DSD_U32_LE;
> 	else
> 		return 0;
> 
> > > > 
> > > > > +		/* DIYINHK DSD DXD 384kHz USB to I2S/DSD */
> > > > > +		case 0x2009:
> > > > > +			if (fp->altsetting == 3)
> > > > > +				return SNDRV_PCM_FMTBIT_DSD_U32_LE;
> > > > 
> > > > Ditto.
> > > See above.
> > 
> > If the fallthrough is intentional, you *must* put a comment it's
> > really a fallthrough.
> > 
> > 
> Jurgen
> 

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* Re: [PATCH v2] add native DSD support for XMOS based DACs
  2014-09-05 14:51         ` Takashi Iwai
@ 2014-09-05 15:03           ` Jurgen Kramer
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Jurgen Kramer @ 2014-09-05 15:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Takashi Iwai; +Cc: alsa-devel

On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 16:51 +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> At Fri, 05 Sep 2014 16:37:13 +0200,
> Jurgen Kramer wrote:
> > 
> > On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 16:27 +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > > At Fri, 05 Sep 2014 15:58:39 +0200,
> > > Jurgen Kramer wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 15:36 +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > > > > At Fri,  5 Sep 2014 14:24:57 +0200,
> > > > > Jurgen Kramer wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Add quirks for XMOS based DACs for native DSD playback support using the new
> > > > > > DSD_U32_LE sample format.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This version adds native DSD support for:
> > > > > > - iFi Audio micro iDSD/nano iDSD (they use the same prod. id)
> > > > > > - DIYINHK USB to I2S/DSD converter
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Changes from v1:
> > > > > > - use specific product id and alt setting per XMOS based device
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Signed-off-by: Jurgen Kramer <gtmkramer@xs4all.nl>
> > > > > > ---
> > > > > >  sound/usb/quirks.c | 15 +++++++++++++++
> > > > > >  1 file changed, 15 insertions(+)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > diff --git a/sound/usb/quirks.c b/sound/usb/quirks.c
> > > > > > index 19a921e..5ae0536 100644
> > > > > > --- a/sound/usb/quirks.c
> > > > > > +++ b/sound/usb/quirks.c
> > > > > > @@ -1174,5 +1174,20 @@ u64 snd_usb_interface_dsd_format_quirks(struct snd_usb_audio *chip,
> > > > > >  		}
> > > > > >  	}
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > +	/* XMOS based USB DACs */
> > > > > > +	if (le16_to_cpu(chip->dev->descriptor.idVendor) == 0x20b1) {
> > > > > > +		switch (le16_to_cpu(chip->dev->descriptor.idProduct)) {
> > > > > > +		/* iFi Audio micro/nano iDSD */
> > > > > > +		case 0x3008:
> > > > > > +			if (fp->altsetting == 2)
> > > > > > +				return SNDRV_PCM_FMTBIT_DSD_U32_LE;
> > > > > 
> > > > > Missing break?
> > > > It is already returning. Where would the break go?
> > > 
> > > What if fp->altsetting == 3 with 20b1:3008 chip?
> > > Then it falls down to below, and return SNDRV_PCM_FMTBIT_DSD_U32_LE.
> > > Is this expected?
> > With fp->altsetting == 3 for 20b1:3008 I do not see it returning
> > SNDRV_PCM_FMTBIT_DSD_U32_LE, it falls through to 'return 0'.
> 
> Well, read your C text book carefully again :)
Haha!
> The tricky part of switch/case behavior is that it falls through to
> the next case, not going out of switch block.
> 
> > However, would this be more appropriate/readable?:
> > 
> > case 0x3008:
> > 	if (fp->altsetting == 2)
> > 		return SNDRV_PCM_FMTBIT_DSD_U32_LE;
> > 	else
> > 		break;
> 
> Just put break.  The standard form of switch/case is like:
> 
> 	switch (cond) {
> 	case xxx:
> 		if (something)
> 			return abc;
> 		break;
> 	case yyy:
> 		if (another)
> 			return def;
> 		break;
> 	default:
> 		break;
> 	}
> 
> 	return 0;
Thanks, new patch coming up.

Jurgen

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* Re: [PATCH v2] add native DSD support for XMOS based DACs
  2014-09-05 12:24 [PATCH v2] add native DSD support for XMOS based DACs Jurgen Kramer
  2014-09-05 13:36 ` Takashi Iwai
@ 2014-09-05 15:26 ` Clemens Ladisch
  2014-09-05 15:41   ` Jurgen Kramer
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Clemens Ladisch @ 2014-09-05 15:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jurgen Kramer, alsa-devel

Jurgen Kramer wrote:
> +	/* XMOS based USB DACs */
> +	if (le16_to_cpu(chip->dev->descriptor.idVendor) == 0x20b1) {
> +		switch (le16_to_cpu(chip->dev->descriptor.idProduct)) {
> +		/* iFi Audio micro/nano iDSD */
> +		case 0x3008:

And you don't need to go through the descriptors; you can test
chip->usb_id directly (see snd_usb_set_format_quirk()).


Regards,
Clemens

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* Re: [PATCH v2] add native DSD support for XMOS based DACs
  2014-09-05 15:26 ` Clemens Ladisch
@ 2014-09-05 15:41   ` Jurgen Kramer
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Jurgen Kramer @ 2014-09-05 15:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Clemens Ladisch; +Cc: alsa-devel

On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 17:26 +0200, Clemens Ladisch wrote:
> Jurgen Kramer wrote:
> > +	/* XMOS based USB DACs */
> > +	if (le16_to_cpu(chip->dev->descriptor.idVendor) == 0x20b1) {
> > +		switch (le16_to_cpu(chip->dev->descriptor.idProduct)) {
> > +		/* iFi Audio micro/nano iDSD */
> > +		case 0x3008:
> 
> And you don't need to go through the descriptors; you can test
> chip->usb_id directly (see snd_usb_set_format_quirk()).
Thanks, will do!

Jurgen

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2014-09-05 12:24 [PATCH v2] add native DSD support for XMOS based DACs Jurgen Kramer
2014-09-05 13:36 ` Takashi Iwai
2014-09-05 13:58   ` Jurgen Kramer
2014-09-05 14:27     ` Takashi Iwai
2014-09-05 14:37       ` Jurgen Kramer
2014-09-05 14:51         ` Takashi Iwai
2014-09-05 15:03           ` Jurgen Kramer
2014-09-05 15:26 ` Clemens Ladisch
2014-09-05 15:41   ` Jurgen Kramer

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