From: Chintan Pandya <cpandya@codeaurora.org>
To: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
Paul McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 2/2] ksm: provide support to use deferrable timers for scanner thread
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 13:31:13 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <541156C9.1080203@codeaurora.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LSU.2.11.1409091225310.8432@eggly.anvils>
I don't mean to divert the thread too much. But just one suggestion
offered by Harshad.
Why can't we stop invoking more of a KSM scanner thread when we are
saturating from savings ? But again, to check whether savings are
saturated or not, we may still want to rely upon timers and we have to
wake the CPUs up from IDLE state.
>> here. Can't we create a new (timer) infrastructure that does the right
>> thing? Surely this isn't the only such case.
>
> A sleep-walking timer, that goes to sleep in one bed, but may wake in
> another; and defers while beds are empty? I'd be happy to try using
> that for KSM if it already existed, and no doubt Chintan would too
This is interesting for sure :)
>
> But I don't think KSM presents a very good case for developing it.
> I think KSM's use of a sleep_millisecs timer is really just an apology
> for the amount of often wasted work that it does, and dates from before
> we niced it down 5. I prefer the idea of a KSM which waits on activity
> amongst the restricted set of tasks it is tracking: as this patch tries.
>
> But my preference may be naive: doing lots of unnecessary work doesn't
> matter as much as waking cpus from deep sleep.
This is exactly the preference we are looking for. But yes, cannot be
generalized for all.
>
>>
>> I know both RCU and some NOHZ_FULL muck already track when the system is
>> completely idle. This is yet another case of that.
>
> Hugh
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From: Chintan Pandya <cpandya@codeaurora.org>
To: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
Paul McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 2/2] ksm: provide support to use deferrable timers for scanner thread
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 13:31:13 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <541156C9.1080203@codeaurora.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LSU.2.11.1409091225310.8432@eggly.anvils>
I don't mean to divert the thread too much. But just one suggestion
offered by Harshad.
Why can't we stop invoking more of a KSM scanner thread when we are
saturating from savings ? But again, to check whether savings are
saturated or not, we may still want to rely upon timers and we have to
wake the CPUs up from IDLE state.
>> here. Can't we create a new (timer) infrastructure that does the right
>> thing? Surely this isn't the only such case.
>
> A sleep-walking timer, that goes to sleep in one bed, but may wake in
> another; and defers while beds are empty? I'd be happy to try using
> that for KSM if it already existed, and no doubt Chintan would too
This is interesting for sure :)
>
> But I don't think KSM presents a very good case for developing it.
> I think KSM's use of a sleep_millisecs timer is really just an apology
> for the amount of often wasted work that it does, and dates from before
> we niced it down 5. I prefer the idea of a KSM which waits on activity
> amongst the restricted set of tasks it is tracking: as this patch tries.
>
> But my preference may be naive: doing lots of unnecessary work doesn't
> matter as much as waking cpus from deep sleep.
This is exactly the preference we are looking for. But yes, cannot be
generalized for all.
>
>>
>> I know both RCU and some NOHZ_FULL muck already track when the system is
>> completely idle. This is yet another case of that.
>
> Hugh
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-09-11 8:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-08-20 12:10 [PATCH v4 1/2] timer: provide an api for deferrable timeout Chintan Pandya
2014-08-20 12:10 ` Chintan Pandya
2014-08-20 12:10 ` [PATCH v4 2/2] ksm: provide support to use deferrable timers for scanner thread Chintan Pandya
2014-08-20 12:10 ` Chintan Pandya
2014-08-28 6:02 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-08-28 6:02 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-09-03 9:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-03 9:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-03 10:32 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-09-03 10:32 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-09-08 8:25 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-09-08 8:25 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-09-08 9:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-09 14:52 ` Chintan Pandya
2014-09-09 14:52 ` Chintan Pandya
2014-09-09 20:37 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-09-09 20:37 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-09-09 20:14 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-09-09 20:14 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-09-10 8:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-11 12:27 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-09-11 12:27 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-09-10 8:27 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-11 12:59 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-09-11 12:59 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-09-11 8:01 ` Chintan Pandya [this message]
2014-09-11 8:01 ` Chintan Pandya
2014-09-11 13:25 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-09-11 13:25 ` Hugh Dickins
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