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From: Richard Weinberger <richard-/L3Ra7n9ekc@public.gmane.org>
To: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org,
	Serge Hallyn
	<serge.hallyn-GeWIH/nMZzLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	David Howells <dhowells-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Eric W. Biederman"
	<ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	Mateusz Guzik <mguzik-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2v6] procfs: show hierarchy of pid namespace
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2014 13:51:31 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <545A1D53.3070507@nod.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141105124111.GA19563-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>

Am 05.11.2014 um 13:41 schrieb Serge E. Hallyn:
> Quoting Richard Weinberger (richard-/L3Ra7n9ekc@public.gmane.org):
>> Am 05.11.2014 um 11:41 schrieb Chen Hanxiao:
>>> We lack of pid hierarchy information, and this will lead to:
>>> a) we don't know pids' relationship, who is whose child:
>>>    /proc/PID/ns/pid only tell us whether two pids live in different ns
>>> b) bring trouble to nested lxc container check/restore/migration
>>> c) bring trouble to pid translation between containers;
>>>
>>> This patch will show the hierarchy of pid namespace
>>> by pidns_hierarchy like:
>>>
>>> [root@localhost ~]#cat /proc/pidns_hierarchy
>>> 18060 18102 1534
>>> 18060 18102 1600
>>> 1550
>>
>> Hmm, what about printing the pid hierarchy in the same way as /proc/self/mountinfo
>> does with mount namespaces?
>> Your current approach is not bad but we should really try to be consistent with existing
>> sources of information.
> 
> Good point.  How would you structure it to make it look mor elike mountinfo?
> Adding the pidns inode number (in place of a mount sequence number) might be
> useful, but it sounds like you have a more concrete idea?

Just list <init_PID> <parent_of_init_PID>. This way we have exactly one
information record per line and always exactly two columns to parse.

e.g.
[root@localhost ~]#cat /proc/pidns_hierarchy
1550 1
18060 1
18102 18060
1534 18102
1600 18102

>> This function allocates memory per PID. If we have lots of PIDs, how does this scale?
>> I'd go so far and say this can be a DoS'able issue if the pidns_hierarchy file is opened multiple times...
> 
> It's not per pid, but per init-pid.  For non-reaper pids he bails and continue
> through the loop a few lines above.  This still may be DOS-able if users don't
> have kmem restrictions to prevent a ton of pid namespaces, but then the
> namespaces themselves will take a lot more memory than the representation here.

Ah, I've overlooked that fact. If it is per init-pid it is not that bad. :-)

Thanks,
//richard

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From: Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>
To: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>
Cc: Chen Hanxiao <chenhanxiao@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn@ubuntu.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	containers@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Mateusz Guzik <mguzik@redhat.com>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2v6] procfs: show hierarchy of pid namespace
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2014 13:51:31 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <545A1D53.3070507@nod.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141105124111.GA19563@mail.hallyn.com>

Am 05.11.2014 um 13:41 schrieb Serge E. Hallyn:
> Quoting Richard Weinberger (richard@nod.at):
>> Am 05.11.2014 um 11:41 schrieb Chen Hanxiao:
>>> We lack of pid hierarchy information, and this will lead to:
>>> a) we don't know pids' relationship, who is whose child:
>>>    /proc/PID/ns/pid only tell us whether two pids live in different ns
>>> b) bring trouble to nested lxc container check/restore/migration
>>> c) bring trouble to pid translation between containers;
>>>
>>> This patch will show the hierarchy of pid namespace
>>> by pidns_hierarchy like:
>>>
>>> [root@localhost ~]#cat /proc/pidns_hierarchy
>>> 18060 18102 1534
>>> 18060 18102 1600
>>> 1550
>>
>> Hmm, what about printing the pid hierarchy in the same way as /proc/self/mountinfo
>> does with mount namespaces?
>> Your current approach is not bad but we should really try to be consistent with existing
>> sources of information.
> 
> Good point.  How would you structure it to make it look mor elike mountinfo?
> Adding the pidns inode number (in place of a mount sequence number) might be
> useful, but it sounds like you have a more concrete idea?

Just list <init_PID> <parent_of_init_PID>. This way we have exactly one
information record per line and always exactly two columns to parse.

e.g.
[root@localhost ~]#cat /proc/pidns_hierarchy
1550 1
18060 1
18102 18060
1534 18102
1600 18102

>> This function allocates memory per PID. If we have lots of PIDs, how does this scale?
>> I'd go so far and say this can be a DoS'able issue if the pidns_hierarchy file is opened multiple times...
> 
> It's not per pid, but per init-pid.  For non-reaper pids he bails and continue
> through the loop a few lines above.  This still may be DOS-able if users don't
> have kmem restrictions to prevent a ton of pid namespaces, but then the
> namespaces themselves will take a lot more memory than the representation here.

Ah, I've overlooked that fact. If it is per init-pid it is not that bad. :-)

Thanks,
//richard

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-11-05 12:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-11-05 10:41 [PATCH 0/2v6] ns, procfs: pid conversion between ns and showing pidns hierarchy Chen Hanxiao
2014-11-05 10:41 ` Chen Hanxiao
     [not found] ` <1415184115-12022-1-git-send-email-chenhanxiao-BthXqXjhjHXQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-05 10:41   ` [PATCH 1/2v6] procfs: show hierarchy of pid namespace Chen Hanxiao
2014-11-05 10:41     ` Chen Hanxiao
     [not found]     ` <1415184115-12022-2-git-send-email-chenhanxiao-BthXqXjhjHXQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-05 11:54       ` Mateusz Guzik
2014-11-05 11:54         ` Mateusz Guzik
2014-11-06  9:36         ` Chen, Hanxiao
2014-11-06  9:36         ` Chen, Hanxiao
2014-11-05 12:11       ` Richard Weinberger
2014-11-05 12:11         ` Richard Weinberger
     [not found]         ` <545A13DA.3090207-/L3Ra7n9ekc@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-05 12:41           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2014-11-05 12:41             ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]             ` <20141105124111.GA19563-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-05 12:51               ` Richard Weinberger [this message]
2014-11-05 12:51                 ` Richard Weinberger
     [not found]                 ` <545A1D53.3070507-/L3Ra7n9ekc@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-06  5:48                   ` Chen, Hanxiao
2014-11-06  5:48                 ` Chen, Hanxiao
     [not found]                   ` <5871495633F38949900D2BF2DC04883E61F2B2-ZEd+hNNJ6a5ZYpXjqAkB5jz3u5zwRJJDAzI0kPv9QBlmR6Xm/wNWPw@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-06  8:13                     ` Richard Weinberger
2014-11-06  8:13                       ` Richard Weinberger
2014-11-05 10:41   ` [PATCH 2/2v6] /proc/PID/status: show all sets of pid according to ns Chen Hanxiao
2014-11-05 10:41     ` Chen Hanxiao

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