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From: Daniel Mack <daniel-cYrQPVfZoowdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
To: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)"
	<mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Florian Weimer <fw-d32yF4oPJVt0XxTmqZlbVQ@public.gmane.org>,
	David Herrmann
	<dh.herrmann-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman
	<gregkh-hQyY1W1yCW8ekmWlsbkhG0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>,
	"Eric W. Biederman"
	<ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	One Thousand Gnomes
	<gnomes-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>,
	Tom Gundersen <teg-B22kvLQNl6c@public.gmane.org>,
	Jiri Kosina <jkosina-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto-kltTT9wpgjJwATOyAt5JVQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel
	<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Djalal Harouni <tixxdz-Umm1ozX2/EEdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: kdbus: add documentation
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 09:25:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <54BE1116.5060204@zonque.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54BE0D56.5090301-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>

Hi Michael,

On 01/20/2015 09:09 AM, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
> On 11/30/2014 06:23 PM, Florian Weimer wrote:
>> * David Herrmann:
>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Florian Weimer <fw-d32yF4oPJVt0XxTmqZlbVQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>>> * Greg Kroah-Hartman:
>>>>
>>>>> +7.4 Receiving messages
>>
>>>> What happens if this is not possible because the file descriptor limit
>>>> of the processes would be exceeded?  EMFILE, and the message will not
>>>> be received?
>>>
>>> The message is returned without installing the FDs. This is signaled
>>> by EMFILE, but a valid pool offset.
>>
>> Oh.  This is really surprising, so it needs documentation.  But it's
>> probably better than the alternative (return EMFILE and leave the
>> message stuck, so that you receive it immediately again—this behavior
>> makes non-blocking accept rather difficult to use correctly).
> 
> So, was this point in the end explicitly documented? I not
> obvious that it is documented in the revised kdbus.txt that
> Greg K-H sent out 4 days ago.

No, we've revisited this point and changed the kernel behavior again in
v3. We're no longer returning -EMFILE in this case, but rather set
KDBUS_RECV_RETURN_INCOMPLETE_FDS in a new field in the receive ioctl
struct called 'return_flags'. We believe that's a nicer way of signaling
specific errors. The message will carry -1 for all FDs that failed to
get installed, so the user can actually see which one is missing.

That's also documented in kdbus.txt, but we missed putting it into the
Changelog - sorry for that.


Hope this helps,
Daniel

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Daniel Mack <daniel@zonque.org>
To: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de>,
	David Herrmann <dh.herrmann@gmail.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Tom Gundersen <teg@jklm.no>, Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@opendz.org>
Subject: Re: kdbus: add documentation
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 09:25:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <54BE1116.5060204@zonque.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54BE0D56.5090301@gmail.com>

Hi Michael,

On 01/20/2015 09:09 AM, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
> On 11/30/2014 06:23 PM, Florian Weimer wrote:
>> * David Herrmann:
>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de> wrote:
>>>> * Greg Kroah-Hartman:
>>>>
>>>>> +7.4 Receiving messages
>>
>>>> What happens if this is not possible because the file descriptor limit
>>>> of the processes would be exceeded?  EMFILE, and the message will not
>>>> be received?
>>>
>>> The message is returned without installing the FDs. This is signaled
>>> by EMFILE, but a valid pool offset.
>>
>> Oh.  This is really surprising, so it needs documentation.  But it's
>> probably better than the alternative (return EMFILE and leave the
>> message stuck, so that you receive it immediately again—this behavior
>> makes non-blocking accept rather difficult to use correctly).
> 
> So, was this point in the end explicitly documented? I not
> obvious that it is documented in the revised kdbus.txt that
> Greg K-H sent out 4 days ago.

No, we've revisited this point and changed the kernel behavior again in
v3. We're no longer returning -EMFILE in this case, but rather set
KDBUS_RECV_RETURN_INCOMPLETE_FDS in a new field in the receive ioctl
struct called 'return_flags'. We believe that's a nicer way of signaling
specific errors. The message will carry -1 for all FDs that failed to
get installed, so the user can actually see which one is missing.

That's also documented in kdbus.txt, but we missed putting it into the
Changelog - sorry for that.


Hope this helps,
Daniel

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-01-20  8:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-11-21  5:02 [PATCH v2 00/13] Add kdbus implementation Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-11-21  5:02 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-11-21  5:02 ` kdbus: add documentation Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-11-21  8:29   ` Harald Hoyer
2014-11-30  8:56   ` Florian Weimer
     [not found]     ` <8761dxysl0.fsf-ZqZwdwZz9NfTBotR3TxKnbNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-30 17:17       ` David Herrmann
2014-11-30 17:17         ` David Herrmann
     [not found]   ` <1416546149-24799-2-git-send-email-gregkh-hQyY1W1yCW8ekmWlsbkhG0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-21 17:12     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-11-21 17:12       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-11-24 20:16       ` David Herrmann
2014-11-24 20:57         ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]           ` <CALCETrUfNG=YwwM2m78Ua4fUr9daE1omQwOSJQMKC6CTCa28fQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-26 11:55             ` David Herrmann
2014-11-26 11:55               ` David Herrmann
2014-11-26 15:30               ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                 ` <CALCETrV1vChd9m_AtFjPfddqvPK3z3cjROozWJ8HQHSGm5KWJQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-26 15:39                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-11-26 15:39                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-11-30  9:08       ` Florian Weimer
2014-11-30  9:08         ` Florian Weimer
2014-11-30 17:12         ` David Herrmann
     [not found]           ` <CANq1E4QJhbypbs1PueKdW7AmBPiiYEg1dN-fsAewDJap82feyg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-30 17:22             ` Florian Weimer
2014-11-30 17:22               ` Florian Weimer
2014-11-30  9:02     ` Florian Weimer
2014-11-30  9:02       ` Florian Weimer
     [not found]       ` <871tolysbb.fsf-ZqZwdwZz9NfTBotR3TxKnbNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-30 17:15         ` David Herrmann
2014-11-30 17:15           ` David Herrmann
     [not found]           ` <CANq1E4RjwCVEVT7031CeiKrNvRFkLBZc4-X1uKdrdzpf=EwJ+A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-30 17:23             ` Florian Weimer
2014-11-30 17:23               ` Florian Weimer
     [not found]               ` <87vblwtxee.fsf-ZqZwdwZz9NfTBotR3TxKnbNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-20  8:09                 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-20  8:09                   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]                   ` <54BE0D56.5090301-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-20  8:25                     ` Daniel Mack [this message]
2015-01-20  8:25                       ` Daniel Mack
2015-01-20 12:54                       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-11-21  5:02 ` kdbus: add header file Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-11-21  8:34   ` Harald Hoyer
2014-11-21  8:55     ` Daniel Mack
2014-11-21  5:02 ` kdbus: add driver skeleton, ioctl entry points and utility functions Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-11-21  5:02 ` kdbus: add connection, queue handling and message validation code Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-11-21  5:02 ` kdbus: add node and filesystem implementation Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]   ` <1416546149-24799-7-git-send-email-gregkh-hQyY1W1yCW8ekmWlsbkhG0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-21 15:55     ` Sasha Levin
2014-11-21 15:55       ` Sasha Levin
     [not found]       ` <546F606D.40407-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-21 16:13         ` David Herrmann
2014-11-21 16:13           ` David Herrmann
     [not found]           ` <CANq1E4QkXv9Ak6eT+NZPsy+5nTGKE8oypLvdr97cFcvmtigS_A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-21 16:56             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-11-21 16:56               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]               ` <20141121165638.GA24866-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-21 17:03                 ` Sasha Levin
2014-11-21 17:03                   ` Sasha Levin
     [not found]                   ` <546F7077.4010200-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-21 17:55                     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-11-21 17:55                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-11-21 16:35   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-11-21 16:41     ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]     ` <CALCETrW-RkhKa4n7X1HoPgmSuLV4V8YQ=FaSYVJ1YsHS=pJCSQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-21 16:53       ` David Herrmann
2014-11-21 16:53         ` David Herrmann
2014-11-21  5:02 ` kdbus: add code to gather metadata Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]   ` <1416546149-24799-8-git-send-email-gregkh-hQyY1W1yCW8ekmWlsbkhG0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-21 19:50     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-11-21 19:50       ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]       ` <546F977B.7040500-kltTT9wpgjJwATOyAt5JVQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-01 13:50         ` Daniel Mack
2014-12-01 13:50           ` Daniel Mack
2014-12-01 14:46           ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-11-21  5:02 ` kdbus: add code for notifications and matches Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-11-21  5:02 ` kdbus: add code for buses, domains and endpoints Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]   ` <1416546149-24799-10-git-send-email-gregkh-hQyY1W1yCW8ekmWlsbkhG0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-21  8:14     ` Harald Hoyer
2014-11-21  8:14       ` Harald Hoyer
2014-11-21  8:39   ` Harald Hoyer
2014-11-21  5:02 ` kdbus: add name registry implementation Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-11-21  5:02 ` kdbus: add policy database implementation Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-11-21  5:02 ` kdbus: add Makefile, Kconfig and MAINTAINERS entry Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-11-21  5:02 ` kdbus: add selftests Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found] ` <1416546149-24799-1-git-send-email-gregkh-hQyY1W1yCW8ekmWlsbkhG0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-21  5:02   ` kdbus: add connection pool implementation Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-11-21  5:02     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-11-21  6:02   ` [PATCH v2 00/13] Add kdbus implementation Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-11-21  6:02     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-10-29 22:00 [PATCH 00/12] " Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-29 22:00 ` kdbus: add documentation Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-30 12:20   ` Peter Meerwald
     [not found]     ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1410301231040.32212-jW+XmwGofnusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-02  1:29       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-11-02  1:29         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman

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