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From: Daniel Borkmann <dborkman@redhat.com>
To: Stathis Voukelatos <stathis.voukelatos@linn.co.uk>
Cc: "netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"devicetree@vger.kernel.org" <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	"abrestic@chromium.org" <abrestic@chromium.org>,
	f.fainelli@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] net: Linn Ethernet Packet Sniffer driver
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 15:46:53 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <54C7A4DD.7030109@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54C7736C.8090704@linn.co.uk>

Hi Stathis,

On 01/27/2015 12:15 PM, Stathis Voukelatos wrote:
> On 26/01/15 10:10, Daniel Borkmann wrote:
>>> Hello Daniel. Thank you for your feedback.
>>> Packet sockets could also be used for the driver interface to
>>> user space, however I think that both approaches would require the same
>>> amount of maintenance. We need to maintain a protocol consisting of
>>> a set of messages or commands that user space can use to communicate
>>> with the driver in order to configure the H/W and retrieve results.
>>> We could use packet sockets to send those messages  too, but I thought
>>> netlink already provides a message exchange framework that we could
>>> make use of.
>>
>> When using packet sockets and your driver as a backend feeding them,
>> users can see that there's an extra capturing/monitoring netdev present,
>> all libpcap-based tools such as tcpdump et al would work out of the box
>> w/o adapting any code, and as an admin you can also see what users/tools
>> are making of use of the device through packet sockets. I couldn't parse
>> the exact motivation from the commit message of why avoiding all this is
>> better?
>
> Just wanted to clarify some implementation details for your approach.
> - The driver would need to create and register two net_device instances.
> One for sniffing Ethernet TX packets and one for RX.

Hm, I would represent the whole device as a single monitoring-only netdev.
I'm somehow still missing the big advantage of all this as compared to
using packet sockets on the normal netdev? I couldn't parse that from your
commit message.

> - Would the control interface for the sniffer in that case need to be
> through private socket ioctls (ie SIOCDEVPRIVATE + x ioctl ids)?

Nope, please have a look at Documentation/networking/packet_mmap.txt.

  reply	other threads:[~2015-01-27 14:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-01-23 10:07 [PATCH] net: Linn Ethernet Packet Sniffer driver Stathis Voukelatos
     [not found] ` <1422007621-13567-1-git-send-email-stathis.voukelatos-zgcZaY4qg+21Qrn1Bg8BZw@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-23 10:21   ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-01-23 10:21     ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-01-26 11:23     ` Stathis Voukelatos
2015-01-26 11:23       ` Stathis Voukelatos
2015-01-23 10:51   ` Mark Rutland
2015-01-23 10:51     ` Mark Rutland
2015-01-26 10:16     ` Stathis Voukelatos
2015-01-27 10:53       ` Mark Rutland
2015-01-23 11:20   ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-01-23 11:20     ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-01-26  9:49     ` Stathis Voukelatos
2015-01-26 10:10       ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-01-27 11:15         ` Stathis Voukelatos
2015-01-27 14:46           ` Daniel Borkmann [this message]
2015-01-27 17:22             ` Stathis Voukelatos
2015-01-27 17:22               ` Stathis Voukelatos
2015-01-23 18:12   ` James Hogan
2015-01-23 18:12     ` James Hogan
2015-01-26 11:05     ` Stathis Voukelatos
2015-01-26 11:05       ` Stathis Voukelatos
2015-01-26 11:05       ` Stathis Voukelatos
2015-01-26 22:30   ` Florian Fainelli
2015-01-26 22:30     ` Florian Fainelli
2015-01-27 10:51     ` Stathis Voukelatos
2015-01-27 10:51       ` Stathis Voukelatos
2015-01-24 21:37 ` Joe Perches
2015-01-26 11:11   ` Stathis Voukelatos
2015-01-26 11:11     ` Stathis Voukelatos
2015-01-26 19:39     ` Joe Perches
     [not found]       ` <1422301185.18650.4.camel-6d6DIl74uiNBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-27  9:52         ` Stathis Voukelatos
2015-01-27  9:52           ` Stathis Voukelatos
2015-01-27  9:52           ` Stathis Voukelatos

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